I saw on their web site they're also giving away free slates and styluses.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Gmail

> -----Original Message-----
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf
> Of bentleyj1...@gmail.com
> Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2020 3:14 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Scanning solution
> 
> NFB is spending a fortune to keep NFB news Line up and running.  They provide
> so many services.  Even giving away free canes.
> 
> I'm confused as to why anyone wants to criticize NFB.
> 
> James B
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf
> Of Carolyn
> Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2020 2:58 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Scanning solution
> 
> NFB is a service agency and a lobby for the blind. But, it has to raise 
> funds, other
> than dues, in order to survive.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2020 3:30 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Scanning solution
> 
> And if the person who makes this stand and who used to sell it for $12 now 
> sells
> it for $12 to NFB you should not expect them to sell it for $15, that is a 20%
> margin and no business can survive on that.
> 
> As a retailer I have often come across somebody who thought they had this
> awesome product and they wanted me to sell it. At the same time they would
> sell it themselves for say $50 and then I asked them what I would have to pay 
> for
> the product. In many cases they told me the would give me a 10% or 15%
> discount for selling their product and they were surprised when I told them 
> that
> in retail that unfortunately does not cut it. It is often impossible to 
> explain to
> somebody that they would have to sell it to me for $30 if they want me to 
> sell it
> for $50 if it should be worth my while or, if they want to sell it to me for 
> $45 and
> I would have to sell it for $75 to make a decent margin that they also should 
> sell
> it for that price themselves.
> 
> Of course if they want me to sell something on consignment where they give me
> the product and I only pay them for what I sell I can go a bit lower, but at 
> the
> same time I may have competing products which I sell at a 35% or 40% margin
> and there is very little incentive for me to try and sell the customer that 
> other
> product where I may only make a 25% margin.
> 
> And if shipping is involved I don’t blame anybody who charges a handling fee 
> if
> they have to stock, pack and ship a product for which they make a $3 profit. I
> understand the NFB in the US is a government agency or maybe I’m wrong, here
> in Canada we have the CNIB (Canadian Federation for the Blind) and while they
> are a government agency, they also sell products for profit at their stores 
> and I
> don’t blame them because just as with most government agencies funding is
> always a problem and they often have to find ways to make a bit of money to
> support their programs.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Sieghard
> 
> 
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf
> Of Dennis Long
> Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2020 12:08 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Scanning solution
> 
> 
> 
> Yes it was something like $19.98 to me that’s $20.
> 
> 
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf
> Of Richard Turner
> Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2020 8:01 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Scanning solution
> 
> 
> 
> So, are they charging $20 total?
> 
> Tomek charged $12, and shipped free matter without charging anything for
> handling. He would ship on the weekends while he was home from his day job
> which often required some travel.
> 
> He was not making any money really other than being able to continue buying
> the materials.
> 
> So, on the one hand, if he is still able to make them because the NFB is 
> selling
> them for a small profit, that is fine.
> 
>  The week of the 25th, I will be writing up a review of another inexpensive 
> stand
> option.
> 
> This one is called the Scanner Bin.
> 
> I saw one already assembled, but I'm getting a new one and will see how
> assembly goes.
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> 
> Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop the bad stuff from happening, it
> just stops you from enjoying the good."
> 
> 
> 
> Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
> 
> www.turner42.com <http://www.turner42.com>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>       On May 16, 2020, at 11:06 PM, Dennis Long <dennisl1...@gmail.com
> <mailto:dennisl1...@gmail.com> > wrote:
> 
>       
> 
>       I responded Richard I just saw your message.  The NFB should also bring
> back online ordering.  They said they were going to but haven’t for whatever
> reason.
> 
> 
> 
>       From: viphone@googlegroups.com
> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  <viphone@googlegroups.com
> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Richard Turner
>       Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2020 11:48 PM
>       To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>       Subject: Re: Scanning solution
> 
> 
> 
>       Early on, Dennis Long said that the NFB charged for shipping.
> 
>       But he has not responded after I asked how much they were charging.
> 
>       I had written the Independence Market asking about the stand as people
> who have seen mine wanted to know where to get it, and because Tomek
> Wardiga, the creator of these stands, was no longer able to ship free matter, 
> I
> was trying to find out.
> 
>       The people at the Independence Market have never responded to my
> emails.
> 
>       So, at this point, it is unsubstantiated about them charging for 
> shipping,
> but the statement was made.
> 
>       Just waiting for someone to confirm with specifics, or clear it up.
> 
> 
> 
>       Richard
> 
>       Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop the bad stuff from
> happening, it just stops you from enjoying the good."
> 
> 
> 
>       Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>               On May 16, 2020, at 8:35 PM, "chalt...@gmail.com
> <mailto:chalt...@gmail.com> " <chalt...@gmail.com
> <mailto:chalt...@gmail.com> > wrote:
> 
>       
> 
>               I don’t see anything in this thread that says the NFB was
> charging for shipping. There’s a statement on how the post office wasn’t 
> giving
> permission for this stand to be shipped as free matter and then there’s a
> statement that the NFB was considering carrying this stand as part of their
> Independence Market.
> 
> 
> 
>               I’m always weary of broad unsubstantiated statements like this
> that seem more like someone has a bone to pick then actually conveying useful
> and accurate information.
> 
> 
> 
>               Even if the NFB were able to ship these stands as free matter, 
> it
> wouldn’t be fair for them to pass on the cost of the postal shipping charges 
> to
> the customer, but it could still involve staff spending time and resources 
> shipping
> these stands out. I wouldn’t have a problem paying an appropriate amount of
> money for this service.
> 
> 
> 
>               --
> 
>               Christopher (AKA CJ)
> 
>               Chaltain at Gmail
> 
> 
> 
>               From: viphone@googlegroups.com
> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  <viphone@googlegroups.com
> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Andy Baracco
>               Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2020 8:54 PM
>               To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>               Subject: Re: Scanning solution
> 
> 
> 
>               It's appropriate to charge for shipping if you are paying to 
> have
> it shipped.  It is not if you are shipping free matter.
> 
> 
> 
>               Andy
> 
> 
> 
>                       ----- Original Message -----
> 
>                       From: Larry Lumpkin <mailto:llump...@austin.rr.com>
> 
>                       To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> 
>                       Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2020 6:14 PM
> 
>                       Subject: RE: Scanning solution
> 
> 
> 
>                       I think it’s perfectly appropriate for NFB to charge for
> shipping.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>                       From: viphone@googlegroups.com
> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  <viphone@googlegroups.com
> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Richard Turner
>                       Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2020 8:01 PM
>                       To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>                       Subject: Re: Scanning solution
> 
> 
> 
>                       How much are they charging?
> 
>                       Since I got no reply, just wondering.
> 
> 
> 
>                       Richard
> 
>                       Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop the bad
> stuff from happening, it just stops you from enjoying the good."
> 
> 
> 
>                       Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>                               On May 16, 2020, at 5:14 PM, Dennis Long
> <dennisl1...@gmail.com <mailto:dennisl1...@gmail.com> > wrote:
> 
>       
> 
>                               They have them.  Note they charge for free
> mater shipping.  Typical NFB not helping the blind but screwing them over.
> 
> 
> 
>                               From: viphone@googlegroups.com
> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  <viphone@googlegroups.com
> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Richard Turner
>                               Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 4:17 PM
>                               To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>                               Subject: RE: Scanning solution
> 
> 
> 
>                               The Fopydo stand is my first choice, but he was
> having major issues with his Post Office refusing to send things free matter
> unless he went through a bunch of hoops to get a special permit.
> 
>                               At one point, the Independence Market of the
> NFB was considering carrying them.
> 
>                               I wrote them, but have not had a response in
> 10 days.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>                               Richard
> 
>                               "There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in
> a window in Portland, Oregon.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>                               From: viphone@googlegroups.com
> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  <viphone@googlegroups.com
> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Malcolm Parfitt
>                               Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 12:10 PM
>                               To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>                               Subject: Re: Scanning solution
> 
> 
> 
>                               Take a look at:
> 
> 
> 
>                               http://fopydo.com/scanningstandfortheblind
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> com%2Fscanningstandfortheblind&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6d8f4d24dff44c12eb
> 9f08d7fa2872ba%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C63725
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> 
>                               Malcolm Parfitt
> 
> 
> 
>                                       On 12 May 2020, at 20:05,
> bentleyj1...@gmail.com <mailto:bentleyj1...@gmail.com>  wrote:
> 
>       
> 
>                                       Where can I purchase a stand?
> 
> 
> 
>                                       Many thanks,
> 
> 
> 
>                                       James B
> 
> 
> 
>                                       From: viphone@googlegroups.com
> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  <viphone@googlegroups.com
> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Richard Turner
>                                       Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 7:19 AM
>                                       To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>                                       Subject: Re: Scanning solution
> 
> 
> 
>                                       Since you wrote to the iPhone list, I'm
> guessing you plan to do this with an iPhone.
> 
>                                       I do not know of any scanners that
> work with iPhones, beyond what you can do with the iPhone camera itself.
> 
>                                       For A4 documents, I'm assuming these
> are text documents, I think Voice Dream Scanner is the best solution:
> 
>                                       You may also want a scanning stand so
> you don't have to hold the phone about 12 inches above the document if you
> are doing a ton of these.
> 
>                                       Is the plan for the photos to just
> digitize them?
> 
>                                       If so, just use the Camera and have
> someone sighted crop them so just your photo is left.
> 
>                                       With photos, you want to follow the
> same distance ratio as with documents, and have the phone about as far above
> the photo as the photo is tall.
> 
>                                       That could get tricky which is why you
> will need sighted assistance to crop the picture later.
> 
> 
> 
>                                       Richard
> 
>                                       Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying
> won't stop the bad stuff from happening, it just stops you from enjoying the
> good."
> 
> 
> 
>                                       Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>                                       On May 12, 2020, at 2:57 AM, Ian
> Harrison <ihcla...@gmail.com <mailto:ihcla...@gmail.com> > wrote:
> 
>                                       Hi listers,
> 
>                                       I need to get a scanner for photos and
> A4 documents. Wireless would be nice but not if expensive. The main project 
> is a
> load of photos my wife has but doesn’t have the time to scan them herself.
> Therefore it is my job to do the tedious task and it would be nice to have 
> simple
> software that could detect the edges of the photos automatically and
> prefereably be voice over accessible. Any suggestions?
> 
>                                       Thanks
>                                       Ian
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