OK, but I’d still think this would make the TTS less autonomous since the screen reader has a whole API at it’s disposal instead of sending those control characters down a serial line. Theoretically, the screen reader should have an opportunity to interact much more with the TTS then it used to. I suspect this isn’t the case though, and software TTS’s are probably treated pretty much the same way by the screen reader that hardware TTS’s were.
-- Christopher (AKA CJ) Chaltain at Gmail From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Flor Lynch Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 7:17 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pronunciation of a word I mean in terms of how they speak/sound, vis-a-vis the instructions from the scrteen-reader. From: chalt...@gmail.com <mailto:chalt...@gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 1:08 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: Pronunciation of a word I don’t think the synthesizers have gotten more autonomous. Remember they used to be stand alone devices that were only connected to your PC through a serial port. -- Christopher (AKA CJ) Chaltain at Gmail From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> <viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Flor Lynch Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 11:53 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Pronunciation of a word It’s the synthesizer that’s actually doing the speaking, not the screen-reader. The synths are now more human-sounding, and probably more autonomous (independent of the screen-reader) than they used to be. This has its downside, as you’re finding out. From: 'Karen Delzer' via VIPhone <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 6:03 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Pronunciation of a word hehehehe Oh, man, that's sad and funny at the same time. Sad that the creator of the screenreader would make that decision for you, but funny, too. I've used screen readers for over twenty years, and never found one yet that I couldn't teach to say things the way I wished. Well, this is a first, unfortunately. Karen At 09:50 AM 6/14/2020, you wrote: Some voices will not change their pronunciation no matter what you do because it is hardwired into that voice. So, you have a choice: live with it, or find a voice that you can tolerate that pronounces the words the way you want to hear them. Remembering that some words are probably still not going to be the way you are used to. That has been the case in my 35 plus years of dealing with synthesized speech. This is also true with hardware external synthesizers with computers. My first speech synthesizer was hard wired to say "sugar" whenever the letters s h i t appeared alone or in a word. One of my favorite guitarists is a man named Kazuhito Yamashita. I did not know his name wasn't Yama-sugar-da for a very long time. Richard "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,†and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert On Jun 14, 2020, at 9:37 AM, 'Karen Delzer' via VIPhone <viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > wrote: I believe I've tried all that. Have no idea what to do next, however. thanks. Karen At 12:21 AM 6/14/2020, you wrote: I don't see that this is an apple issue rather than a voice and language related issue, I think personally that you need to set the dictionary for voiceover to say the word pease correctly by setting the dictionary to use a word that may not be correctly spelt but makes the word sound correct. -----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> <viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Shirley Baker Sent: Sunday, 14 June 2020 11:16 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: Pronunciation of a word It seems to me that Apple fixes one thing, only to mess up something else. I wish they would get stuff right. I'm not saying they have anything to do with pronunciations but if they did, they need to fix it. Shirley -----Original Message----- From: 'Karen Delzer' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 6:14 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Pronunciation of a word I can understand that words are mispronounced, but when one cannot even go in and correct the pronunciation, there is something wrong. Karen At 12:53 PM 6/13/2020, you wrote: >It's the voice, not the screen-reader, that mostly determines how a >word is pronounced. (The voice's speech dictionary is >'hard-wired'.) So, one solution to a mispronunciation issue is to >instead use an alternative voice which will often speak the word >correctly. (This is an over-extensive solution, since the number of >mispronounced words (these days) is relatively small, by any >good-quality voice.) Besides, each voice has the accent of the country >from which its speaker hails: and, add to this, that not all possible >words were spoken by the human whose speech samples were recorded for >the particular voice. So the computer program gives its best guess >based on algorithms across and between the speech samples, how a new or >unrecorded word should be spoken by that voice. Thus, also, 'artifacts' >are introduced into the speech which don't or never would occur in >natural human speech: and when a word is misspoken by the computer's >voice, you have to go to considerable lengths to make it sound like the >word you're used to. > >-----Original Message----- From: Carolyn >Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 3:17 PM >To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >Subject: RE: Pronunciation of a word > >I tried this, and it sounds right with JAWS on my computer: > >Peese > >P e e s e like cheese. Now, you'd think peese would sound like cheese >or peas, but it sounds like peace. > >-----Original Message----- >From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On >Behalf Of Flor Lynch >Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 8:57 AM >To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >Subject: Re: Pronunciation of a word > >How are you spelling the substitution for 'peace'? Does 'piece' come >out the same way? Try peess? > >-----Original Message----- >From: 'Karen Delzer' via VIPhone >Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 10:36 PM >To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >Subject: Pronunciation of a word > >Hi, all, >I'm sorry if this has been covered, but this is driving me batty. >When I hear the word "peace" on my iPhone, it is always pronounced >"peas." Now, it doesn't matter if I try to change the pronunciation in >the correct place in Settings. 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