At the risk of stepping on toes, all of you who are publicly criticizing CrazyEyez are violating the same list rule to write the moderator directly, instead of posting to the list. Perhaps the moderator, Mark Taylor, will come back to moderating or appoint someone else to do so.
I am simply going to try to mute this thread as it is no longer useful. Yes, I am doing this publicly but I don't have time to write each individual to ask them to cease this nonsense. Richard "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert -----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of sherrywells1...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2020 7:38 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Petition · Apple: Apple, commit to never again willfully excluding disabled people from public betas · Change.org Exactly right Christopher. As crazyeyez says below, people are dumb. This is true of people like him or her who insult others over a petition they haven't even bothered to read for themselves. Sherry Wells -----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of chalt...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2020 5:06 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Petition · Apple: Apple, commit to never again willfully excluding disabled people from public betas · Change.org If you're truly concerned about posts and traffic on this list, I'd encourage you to follow the moderators request at the bottom of every post to this list, namely " If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself." I read the petition myself, and I didn't see where the petitioner did anything dumb or stupid. They were bringing up the point that Apple had such a serious VoiceOver bug in the beta that a blind person couldn't participate. Did you read the petition yourself or were you just basing your opinion on what someone said about the petition? -- Christopher (AKA CJ) Chaltain at Gmail > -----Original Message----- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of > CrazyEyez > Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2020 1:47 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Pétition · Apple: Apple, commit to never again willfully > excluding disabled people from public betas · Change.org > > Honestly, people are dumb. > They'll start a petition over anything, even if its their fault something > happened. > I don't feel bad for you in the least. > We should start a petition to remove the idiot who started this whole > mess from the list so they don't clog our emails with their wining. > Moderator remove this garbage thread please. > It shows true stupidity. > Where has the comprehension gone? > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Aug 16, 2020, at 2:16 AM, Donna Casteen <mermaid71...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > I can't believe such a petition was started!!🙄🤦🏻♀️ This > > petition was started > because an Apple watch user went against Apple's WARNING to NEVER > install beta versions of IOS on ANY Appple device that is YOUR main > device! Of course, this person just HAD to have the beta update & > installed the beta version on their Apple watch that they RELY on & > USE daily! Beta versions of any program WILL have bugs. The fact that > Apple is a company that stands behind their products making them > accessible for the blind & those with other disabilities, does NOT > exclude Apple's beta versions of IOS from having bugs. Nor does this bug > prevent those who are blind taking part in the public beta testing process. > Apple was FULLY aware of the voiceover bug Associated with ALL Apple > watches. And fully WARNED voiceover users with Apple watches of the bug. > Apple also informed voiceover users that they were working on fixing > the voiceover bug, so that voiceover users could participate in the > public beta testing program. Placing the blame on Apple & criticizing > Apple for a problem that they were working toward fixing, is wrong. > The Blame solely lies with Apple watch user(s), who in their poor > judgement decided to install the public beta on a device, in which is used > daily. > > > > It is very important that blind iDevice users participate in Apple's > > beta testing > program, otherwise voiceover or low vision features of the iDevices > would always have major bugs, making the iDevices unusable. Apple is a > large company. The population that is blind & who use Apple products > is very small. If this type of placing blame where it is obvious it > does not belong & publically criticizing Apple for something that at > the time was out of their control, but Apple was working toward fixing: Apple > is in the end going to do 1 of 2 things 1. > No longer let blind users participate in the beta testing process. > Apple can do this by stopping all public beta testing. 2. 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