Your right, but the problem in this case the beta was not accessible. Larry
-----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Yuma Decaux Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2020 8:44 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Petition · Apple: Apple, commit to never again willfully excluding disabled people from public betas · Change.org Just my 50 cents here, but I feel like Apple has been very consistent with including disabled beta testers, in this particular case, the BVI community. I have been beta testing apple software since 2011, and always been included in the program, so I'm not sure where the intent of this petition stems from. If anyone here feels omitted from the program, I'm sure someone in the beta list can recommend you to the program so you can get an invite and start testing. Have a great week, Yuma > On 17 Aug 2020, at 11:24 am, Flor Lynch <florl...@iol.ie> wrote: > > Yep. > Now imagine if the digital crown didn't work, and sioghted users were told > not to install the public beta for Watch OS7. Does anyone think that they'd > stand for that? > > -----Original Message----- From: chalt...@gmail.com > Sent: Monday, August 17, 2020 2:07 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Petition · Apple: Apple, commit to never again willfully > excluding disabled people from public betas · Change.org > > I'm not sure what I should look into more. The petition, which I did read, > says nothing about someone installing a beta with a VoiceOver bug after they > were warned not to by Apple. The petition just said that a public beta was > made available but blind people using VoiceOver couldn't participate due to a > VoiceOver bug. IMHO, if a public beta is made available to the sighted then > it should also be made available to the blind. It seems pretty cut and dry to > me. > > -- > Christopher (AKA CJ) > Chaltain at Gmail > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf >> Of Simon A Fogarty >> Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2020 7:30 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: RE: Petition · Apple: Apple, commit to never again willfully >> excluding disabled people from public betas · Change.org >> >> Hi Christopher, >> >> You should read more into it, >> >> The person behind this idea did install the pb for watch os 7 to >> their primary watch device and voiceover wasn't working >> >> Apple do state that you shouldn't put a beta on to a primary device >> as it is a beta and therefore may cause issues that mean the device >> wont work correctly, >> >> This person had to send their watch away to have it setup again and >> blaims this all on appples attitude towards visually impaired users >> of there devices When it really comes down to the users ignorance and not >> listening to apples suggestion. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf >> Of chalt...@gmail.com >> Sent: Sunday, 16 August 2020 9:01 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: RE: Petition · Apple: Apple, commit to never again willfully >> excluding disabled people from public betas · Change.org >> >> I didn't see anything in the petition that said anyone went ahead and >> installed the beta even after Apple warned that voiceOver users shouldn't >> install the beta. >> The point of the petition, as I read it, is that Apple shouldn't >> exclude blind people from participating in the public beta because of >> such a serious and known VoiceOver bug. I myself do find a lot of >> petitions are frivolous and over the top, but I don't have a problem with >> this one myself. >> >> -- >> Christopher (AKA CJ) >> Chaltain at Gmail >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf >> Of >> > Donna Casteen >> > Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2020 1:17 AM >> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> > Subject: Re: Pétition · Apple: Apple, commit to never again >> > willfully excluding disabled people from public betas · Change.org >> > >> > I can't believe such a petition was started!!🙄🤦🏻♀️ This >> > petition was started because an Apple watch user went against >> > Apple's WARNING to NEVER install beta versions of IOS on ANY Appple >> > device that is YOUR main device! Of course, this person just HAD to >> > have the beta update & installed the beta version on their Apple >> > watch that they RELY on & USE daily! Beta versions of any program >> > WILL have bugs. The fact that Apple is a company that stands behind >> > their products making them accessible for the blind & those with >> > other disabilities, does NOT exclude Apple's beta versions of IOS >> > from having bugs. Nor does this > bug >> prevent those who are blind taking part in the public beta testing process. >> > Apple was FULLY aware of the voiceover bug Associated with ALL >> > Apple watches. And fully WARNED voiceover users with Apple watches of the >> > bug. >> > Apple also informed voiceover users that they were working on >> > fixing the voiceover bug, so that voiceover users could participate >> > in the public beta testing program. Placing the blame on Apple & >> > criticizing Apple for a problem that they were working toward fixing, is >> > wrong. >> > The Blame solely lies with Apple watch user(s), who in their poor >> > judgement decided to install the public beta on a device, in which is > >> > used daily. >> > >> > It is very important that blind iDevice users participate in >> > Apple's beta testing program, otherwise voiceover or low vision >> > features of the iDevices would always have major bugs, making the >> > iDevices unusable. Apple is a large company. The population that is >> > blind & who use Apple products is very small. If this type of >> > placing blame where it is obvious it does not belong & publically >> > criticizing Apple for something that at the time was out of their >> > control, but Apple was > working >> toward fixing: Apple is in the end going to do 1 of 2 things 1. >> > No longer let blind users participate in the beta testing process. >> > Apple can do this by stopping all public beta testing. 2. 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