I agree that a statement like IOS 14 sucks isn’t very constructive, but just because Apple says they’re committed to accessibility doesn’t give them a free pass. They still need to be responsive to problems reported during and after beta. I pay just as much for an iPhone as a sighted person does, and accessibility is an advertised feature of the iPhone just like any other feature.
I also agree that Android is a viable option, and people should consider it for many reasons, including if anyone thinks it’s more stable then IOS 14 and VoiceOver. That doesn’t mean people should just be told to go use Android if they find an issue in IOS. Bottom line is that IOS and VoiceOver won’t improve and issues won’t be addressed if they aren’t reported to Apple. -- Christopher (AKA CJ) Chaltain at Gmail From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Daniel MacDonald Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 10:27 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: iOS 14 sucks!! That is sinnical thinking. Apple has publicly and exclusively told AppleVis users how they’re committeded to Accessibility. They are a wonderful company, and by that logic, Vispero’s primary job is to make money as well. Be great full Apple builds VoiceOver and their other assistive technologies for free. Right now, voice control is lacking at the present time, but it will get better over time. I am optimistic it will work with VoiceOver in future. Zoom, in iOS, did not work with VoiceOver. They fix it in iOS 6. To say that Apple’s primary purpose is to make money, true of all companies, I just hope you’re happy with JAWS, stop complaining and suck it up. So, you don’t like iOS 14, what is it about it you do not like? Android 11 has come quite far, instead of wining about it, give Android a shot. At least you no longer have a list on that subject and your support is very pore compared to Apple, primarily web based, and through be my eyes, so stop complaining about apple and use android, and since you hate apple so much, use Android and forget about putting down apple, it just does not get any useful things done. Daniel On Oct 6, 2020, at 11:46 AM, Mich Verrier <mi...@eastlink.ca <mailto:mi...@eastlink.ca> > wrote: Also we have to always remember that us as blind consumers for apple reperzent like maybe 1 percent of there market and let’s not forget that apple’s main job is to make money. It is all well and good to say yes state this or that to apple and hope that they fix it but there is no garintee that they will or even lissen to us just look at the genral reply you get when you file things with them who knows weather they even bauther to read what there users say or maybe it is just like politix and the reports just get stuck some where collecting dust on some demacrats desk. As I said we are a verry nitch market for shure. I for one wish that there was something as softwhere with no bugs but that is impossible mainly because there are to many coads to go through to make that happen. And yes it is frustrateing that they will make something work in one version and then screw it up in the next version jmo but if it works then don’t fix it. From Mich. From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> <viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Malcolm Parfitt Sent: October 6, 2020 10:41 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: iOS 14 sucks!! Perhaps if people commented more constructively their opinion would be taken more seriously. What on earth IOS sucks is supposed to mean is beyond me! Malcolm Parfitt On 6 Oct 2020, at 15:35, Gerardo Corripio <gera1...@gmail.com <mailto:gera1...@gmail.com> > wrote: Just appreciate every day that we’ve talking phones, without needing to, as before, buy separtely a Talks or Mobile Accessibility license. Remember too that software is software, thus it’s very important to have more Beta testers, but overall, for Apple to take more into account feedback from those who Beta test. And as an afterthought, doesn’t Apple have blind folks among its staff, to test VoiceOver for bugs? Gera Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel El 6 oct 2020, a la(s) 8:08 a.m., Devin Prater <r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com <mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com> > escribió: I mean, iOS 13 sucked. iOS 12 sucked. iOS 11 sucked. I'm starting to see why people hold off on updating until a few release versions into the current year's release. Maybe 14.2 will be better. Devin Prater sent from Gmail. On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 12:56 AM Jenny Bomareto <jennybomareto.from.flor...@gmail.com <mailto:jennybomareto.from.flor...@gmail.com> > wrote: Yes, I have turned off and on the phone several times. One of you mention turning off Wi-Fi calling does that mean that all I want to have a Wi-Fi connection if I do that? 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