Hmmm, aren't you breaching the non disclosure agreement by telling us what bugs you did not find? You said below you were not allowed to tell anything about the betas. So maybe Apple should come after you too?
Having said that, I commend you for what I know is hard work doing beta testing. I think people do have legitimate gripes about what sounds like an awful voice over bug. Bugs happen in spite of the best testing. It is good to let those of us on the list who have not yet upgraded know what they are experiencing. And of course it is important to report these things to Apple. Sherry Wells -----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Daniel MacDonald Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 1:48 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: iOS 14 sucks!! hello, be a beta tester and stop wining about this focus issue. as a beta tester, I did not experience this issue you menchined with connecting to the support representative. even if I had, it would be a breech of my nondiscloser agreement. as a beta tester, nobody is allowed to tell people who are not either in the apple developer program, or in the apple beta software program, anything about these betas. whomever breeched the nondiscloser agreement to tell you changes to VoiceOver, I hope they get something done to them by Apple. Apple can sue, and I hope they consider this viable option. does anybody read the apple beta software agreement? I do, and take it exstreamly seriously, unlike the beta testwe who breeched it, to tell you something with VoiceOver has differed to the public release of iOS 14. if anybody violates their non discloser agreement, I hope you get what's coming to you from Apple. this list is for stable releeses only. of you want to beta test, and talk openly about beta releeses, their iss groupe on groups.io called public beta users. its address is publicbetausers+subscr...@groups.io. this grou;p it is a stipulation you are a beta tester to be a member of it. they say so in the welcome message. they also say if you are not, or no longer, a public beta tester, to unscribe as it is a violation of Apple's Nondiscloser Agreement. Daniel On 10/6/20, Larry Lumpkin <llump...@austin.rr.com> wrote: > I’m getting alittle tired of this too. People jump on the first > release of an IOS and then whine when there are bugs. If you want more > stable versions of ios, wait till it gets more stable. I plan on going > to IOS 14 in maybe March or April. > > > > > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of > Mich Verrier > Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 9:46 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: iOS 14 sucks!! > > > > Also we have to always remember that us as blind consumers for apple > reperzent like maybe 1 percent of there market and let’s not forget > that apple’s main job is to make money. It is all well and good to say > yes state this or that to apple and hope that they fix it but there is > no garintee that they will or even lissen to us just look at the > genral reply you get when you file things with them who knows weather > they even bauther to read what there users say or maybe it is just > like politix and the reports just get stuck some where collecting dust > on some demacrats desk. As I said we are a verry nitch market for > shure. I for one wish that there was something as softwhere with no > bugs but that is impossible mainly because there are to many coads to > go through to make that happen. And yes it is frustrateing that they > will make something work in one version and then screw it up in the next > version jmo but if it works then don’t fix it. From Mich. > > > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > <viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On > Behalf Of Malcolm Parfitt > Sent: October 6, 2020 10:41 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > Subject: Re: iOS 14 sucks!! > > > > Perhaps if people commented more constructively their opinion would be > taken more seriously. > > > > What on earth IOS sucks is supposed to mean is beyond me! > > Malcolm Parfitt > > > > On 6 Oct 2020, at 15:35, Gerardo Corripio <gera1...@gmail.com > <mailto:gera1...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Just appreciate every day that we’ve talking phones, without needing > to, as before, buy separtely a Talks or Mobile Accessibility license. > Remember too that software is software, thus it’s very important to > have more Beta testers, but overall, for Apple to take more into > account feedback from those who Beta test. And as an afterthought, > doesn’t Apple have blind folks among its staff, to test VoiceOver for bugs? > > Gera > > Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel > > > > El 6 oct 2020, a la(s) 8:08 a.m., Devin Prater <r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com > <mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com> > escribió: > > > > I mean, iOS 13 sucked. iOS 12 sucked. iOS 11 sucked. I'm starting to > see why people hold off on updating until a few release versions into > the current year's release. Maybe 14.2 will be better. > > > Devin Prater > > sent from Gmail. > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 12:56 AM Jenny Bomareto > <jennybomareto.from.flor...@gmail.com > <mailto:jennybomareto.from.flor...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Yes, I have turned off and on the phone several times. > > > > One of you mention turning off Wi-Fi calling does that mean that all I > want to have a Wi-Fi connection if I do that? Because Matt always had > me leave Wi-Fi turned on so that way like Steph I wanted to go on the > Internet or email away from home I could and then I think had have > Wi-Fi on for calls and texting too. Just putting all the questions out > there > > > > Thanks for your prompt attention! > > Sent from my iPhone > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, > or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact > the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> . 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