To each their own, if I know I want to have a long chat with somebody and I 
don't want to use speakerphone I simply use the wired Apple Earpods, this way I 
can get up and walk around if I want, it makes it easy to pick up another call 
if there is one and it's comfortable. Sure, if you have a cordless phone you 
can also walk around, but it's still another gadget I don't need.
I personally find entering numbers on my phone not that difficult, but if you 
have a Bluetooth keyboard especially if it's something like a Logitech K780 
with a numeric pad then you can use that to enter your bank card number or 
credit card number etc. I just made sure this still works and called Mastercard 
and it was no problem to press 1 on the numeric pad for English and then to 
quickly punch in my 16-digit card number and it's just as easy as using the 
phone dialpad.
AS I said, everybody has to decide what they want, but the extra cost for a 
landline is just not worth it to me and in addition everybody knows that I have 
one personal phone number so nobody calls my landline, then maybe I'm not home 
so they then try my cell number etc. .

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Mich 
Verrier
Sent: September 1, 2021 11:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Land Lines, was Re: Identifying labels when making a contact

I also prefer to talk on my land line as well and would not be with out it I 
couldn’t see my self only using a cell for my phone since as others have said 
at least on a landline you are able to press buttens if you get a menu that 
askes you to press 1 it is easier to do that on a landline then on the I phone. 
From Mich.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of 
sherrywells1...@gmail.com
Sent: September 1, 2021 2:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Land Lines, was Re: Identifying labels when making a contact

I agree – if I am home, I prefer to talk on my land line.  I often pace while 
talking & when on my IPhone, I frequently break up as I move slightly away from 
the speaker.  Also, never had a dropped call on a land line.  Lastly I love 
using NFB Newsline on the land line.  I can punch the buttons much faster than 
I can swipe.  This enables me to listen to the newspaper with my phone laying 
down on the counter while I am chopping vegetables or doing other things.  
Having said all this though, I would not give up my IPhone for anything!

Sherry Wells

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
<viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
llump...@austin.rr.com<mailto:llump...@austin.rr.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2021 1:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Land Lines, was Re: Identifying labels when making a contact

I still prefer a landline to talk on the phone when I do talk. I’m not much of 
a phone person and I feel a disconnect when I talk on most cells. There are 
effects that I find unpleasant.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
<viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Star 
Gazer
Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2021 12:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Land Lines, was Re: Identifying labels when making a contact

Agree, we had a land line, never used it, didn’t know it had stopped working, 
didn’t care when we did discover it wasn’t working so now just don’t have one. 
I never thought this would happen.

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<viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Arnold 
Schmidt
Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2021 1:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Land Lines, was Re: Identifying labels when making a contact

One of the  things that amazed me the most after I got my IPhone 5 was how 
quickly I turned off my land line. It was less than 3 months, my billing cycle 
was about to start again, and I just couldn't figure out why I needed it any 
more. That was almost nine  years ago, I have not missed it.

Arnold Schmidt

Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 2

On Sep 1, 2021, at 1:08 PM, Sieghard Weitzel 
<siegh...@live.ca<mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

Yes, but for me if somebody has only a mobile number and this is their 
main/home number this is still a mobile number for me.
I agree that maybe there should be a label for Mobile (personal) and Mobile 
(work) or even Mobile 1 and Mobile 2, but the purpose for these labels should 
also be that they determine certain actions, e.g. you say "text John Smith" and 
by default the mobile number should be used and I don't see any point in giving 
people the option to use their home or work phone.
I have not had a landline in about 15 years and I don't think I recall ever 
having been in a situation where I desperately needed one.           For me 
even paying $5 a month to have one would be a waste of money, then I also have 
to have a cordless phone or something like that and these days even during a 
power outage cell networks usually stay up for a long time because all the 
towers have battery backup and all that. In early July I visited my family who 
live on a remote Ranch and a big storm destroyed miles of power line and it 
took 5 days for the power to come on again and during this entire time the cell 
tower was working. Sure, if you are not somewhat prepared chances are you run 
out of power a long time before the cell towers do, but that is what external 
batteries are for, keep a 26,000 MAH battery topped up and you can charge your 
iPhone for a week. In fact, if there is a severe weather event chances are 
telephone lines are going to be down as well so there are probably situations 
where cell phones work and landlines do not.

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<viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: September 1, 2021 8:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Identifying labels when making a contact

Sadly Sieghard, too many times these days Work phones and home phones are cell 
phones.  Fewer and fewer of our friends are keeping a landline, and their work 
phone is often a cell phone also.  That was true for me before I retired.  We 
have kept our landline because I don’t want to be in a bind and find the cell 
service is down or the battery is down, etc.



Richard
“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.” – 
Jane Wagner

My Web site: https://www.turner42.com


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<viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2021 8:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Identifying labels when making a contact

It also depends on which method you use for your Contacts, e.g. iCloud, 
Outlook.com, Exchange, Gmail etc.
Yes, there are some labels which appear outdated as Richard said, but I don't 
think I ever encountered the issue that when I shared a Contact with somebody 
that the label was changed and in my opinion they are important especially if 
you have multiple numbers for a contact, e.g. Work, Mobile, Home etc.
I do also agree with what Richard said about Apple not having paid much 
attention to this and neither has Apple been paying attention to the phone app. 
For as long as I have an iPhone which now is 12 years or so I wish that you 
could filter your recent calls not only by "All" and "Missed", but also by 
"Incoming", "Outgoing" and by a custom search filter, e.g. you type in a 
particular name or phone number and see only the calls from that person/number. 
Furthermore I wish that if one would then choose to select all and delete, that 
only the visible results would be deleted. Currently you can either delete 
individual calls or you can completely clear your recent calls list, it makes 
no difference if you choose to show only missed calls and then select to clear 
them, it still clears the entire call list.
I have put this in as a suggestion a few times over the years, but apparently I 
am the only one who would find this useful and it would probably not be very 
difficult for Apple to implemenbt this.

As for the labels there is one other issue which bugs me a lot and that is the 
following scenario:

1. Assume you have a contact called John Smith and you have a work phone, home 
phone, a fax number and a mobile number for that person
2. I now say to SIRI "Message John Smith" and I am not specifying "mobile"
3. SIRI will ask "Which of these should I use for John Smith, work phone, home 
phone, fax number or mobile"

It is of course completely ridiculous why SIRI should ask this because you 
typically can't send a text message to a landline, e.g. work or home phone and 
you definitely can't send a text message to a fax number.
And if you also have an email address added to the contact, e.g. 
johnsm...@gmail.com<mailto:johnsm...@gmail.com>, SIRI often also includes this 
in the list. Of course I can still understand it since if somebody has iMessage 
enabled you can send an iMessage to their email address, then at best it should 
ask if you want to use "Mobile or email". It's just another way where SIRI 
falls short of what it should be after 11 years of being around.
At least it seems Apple has finally made SIRI smart enough where you can add a 
Contact with just a company name in the Company name field, e.g. Apple 
Accessibility, and then say "Call Apple Accessibility". Until maybe last year 
you always had to also add the company name either in the first name or last 
name field if you wanted to ask SIRI to call it or else it would not find it.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
<viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: September 1, 2021 7:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Identifying labels when making a contact

The Contact labels are a joke, and have been a joke for as long as I have had 
an iPhone.
when was the last time you knew someone with a Radio phone, or a car phone, or 
a pager?  And, the iPhone label is there sometimes and not others.  There is a 
Custom label button to create your own some of the time and not others.
Apple truly has not paid attention to the labels forever.
Half the time, when I use their standard labels of home or work, and share a 
contact with my wife, the label is changed to Work, if it was home or to home 
if it was work.
The same thing with Email labels in contacts.  Pick one you can live with and, 
as they say, don't sweat the small stuff.  Grin.

Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." -- 
Jane Wagner





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On Sep 1, 2021, at 7:42 AM, Sieghard Weitzel 
<siegh...@live.ca<mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:
It does not matter, I have never used the iPhone label because in many cases 
you don't even know if the person has an iPhone or not and then there are those 
situations where somebody may have an iPhone and then they decide to get an 
Android phone when they next upgrade. I still have that label and I even see an 
"Apple Watch" label, not sure why I now have this, but I find it nonsense, 
whether iPhone or Android phone, they are all mobile phones and I have never 
experienced a situation that if the recipient of a message had iMessage enabled 
and was in range of a WiFi or cellular data network that the message was not 
sent as an iMessage.

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<viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Tom 
Cramer
Sent: September 1, 2021 2:43 AM
To: viphone <viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Identifying labels when making a contact

Hello,
When I first used an iPhone and learned to enter contacts, I remember that 
there was a section where you could identify someone's phone number as being a 
home phone, work phone, or miblie phone, and a bunch of other options. I also 
remember that there was a specific choice for an iPhone, not just a mobile 
phone.
Now, all I see is a mobile phone option but not an iPhone option. I was just 
wondering if that option still existed and how I can get there.
Also, would any of that matter when it comes to sending iMessages to someone 
with an iDevice?
Tom

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