Not sure I agree it’s petty as it decreases efficiency if one is dependent on braille. I do agree though with those who say there is no such thing as bug free software.
All the best Angie > On 24 May 2023, at 00:17, Jennie Facer <jennie.fa...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Well said, Scott!!!!!! > > There is always something to gripe about. No software is going to be bug > free, and this is a small thing, because for the most part, there are > workarounds. I could see getting upset if they took accessibility away from > us permanently, but this is petty. Come on, now. We all have our thoughts, > and I’m not trying to change yours, Davy, but just be thankful for what you > have and not so demanding. > > Jenn > Jenn and Kumi > >> On May 23, 2023, at 12:56 PM, Scott Davert <scottslistm...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hi all. >> It's a pretty serious bug when you don't have the luxury of audio >> books or listening with speech. >> That said, Davy, I encourage you to try reading a book on Android, any >> version of the OS, and tell me why Apple's feature which worked pretty >> well is somehow less sue worthy than Android. What about Samsung? >> Their phones don't appear to be working with the new itteration of >> TalkBack's braille support. Their watches have 0 braille support. >> Also, why depend on America to do that? You have an EU counterpart, >> right? Or am I misunderstanding the purposes behind the European Blind >> Union? Here's an ignerant American making suggestions.... >> >> Scott >> >> On 5/23/23, davycupp...@gmail.com <davycupp...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Sieghard it is an overall braille bug just check the forums on Applevis. >>> >>> Davy >>> >>> >>> >>> Van: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> Namens Sieghard >>> Weitzel >>> Verzonden: dinsdag 23 mei 2023 6:55 >>> Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Onderwerp: RE: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT >>> UPDATE to ios16.5 >>> >>> >>> >>> I'd be interested in what exactly these iOS 16 bugs are you mention. At this >>> point iOS 16 is about as mature as it will get with as few issues as iOS 15. >>> Just today the iOS 16.6 public beta was released and it is likely that iOS >>> 16.6 will be the final version of iOS 16, there may of course be several >>> third level updates, e.g. there will be iOS 16.6, there may be iOS 16.6.1, >>> iOS 16.6.2 etc., but in two weeks iOS 17 will be introduced at WWDC, by late >>> June or early July the first iOS 17 public beta will be out and in September >>> as always iOS 17 will be released for the masses. I personally can't see a >>> single reason why one should avoid iOS 16 at this time and the bug Davy >>> described is I assume not an iOS 16 bug but a Facebook bug. >>> >>> >>> >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >>> <viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of >>> Michael Irons >>> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2023 6:14 PM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >>> Subject: Re: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT >>> UPDATE to ios16.5 >>> >>> >>> >>> I did not even get iOS 16 because all of the problems people kept talking >>> about I’m still hanging back on the latest version of iOS 15. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> >>> >>> On May 22, 2023, at 1:51 PM, Anna Dresner <wadres...@att.net >>> <mailto:wadres...@att.net> > wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> >>> >>> I’m seeing an issue with Kindle and Voice dream Reader where everything >>> works fine until I get to the end of a page. The next page opens normally, >>> but once it does, all four thumb keys on my braille display stop working. I >>> hear a thunk sound when I press one, and nothing changes on the display. If >>> I press Home, I am unable to navigate with the thumb keys. Restarting >>> VoiceOver is the only way I have found to fix the problem. After that, >>> panning works fine until I try to use Kindle or voice dream Reader again. >>> Apple Books works fine. Are these the same problems the rest of you are >>> seeing? >>> >>> >>> >>> I sent a bug report about this a week or so ago. Unfortunately, the problem >>> remains in beta 1 of iOS 16.6. >>> >>> >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Anna >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On May 22, 2023, at 10:36 AM, Devin Prater <r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Yep, that’s it. >>> >>> Devin Prater >>> >>> r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com <mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com> >>> >>> >>> >>> Https://devinprater.micro.blog >>> >>> >>> >>> On May 22, 2023, at 10:32 AM, Scott Davert <scottslistm...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:scottslistm...@gmail.com> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Hello. >>> I'm currently using a Focus 14, but have also used a Brailliant BI >>> 20X. I did not experience general panning issues, but am seeing some >>> problems with the Kindle app. Maybe others are having similar issues >>> and I'm not aware? >>> >>> Scott >>> >>> On 5/22/23, davycupp...@gmail.com <mailto:davycupp...@gmail.com> >>> <davycupp...@gmail.com <mailto:davycupp...@gmail.com> > wrote: >>> >>> Folks >>> >>> For brail users please do NOT update to ios16.5 and report to Apple >>> accessibility NOW, do it NOW! >>> >>> The thumb keys of the brail display functioning as panning keys do not work >>> as they should, if you press them, sometimes they do mostly they don't. >>> >>> This bug has been introduced in ios16.5. >>> DO COMPLAIN with Apple NOOOOW! >>> Davy >>> >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone >>> list. >>> >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners >>> or >>> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>> >>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. 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