Richard, I have just tried and it works. For speed it may not be obvious as it will just repeat the sentence at a bit higher or slower speed but with two or three swipes the difference will be quite noticeable.
Voice Dream Reader has a similar VoiceOver adjustable gesture for speed (I think that it is over their button that should be titled “Speech”). Can you perform such a gesture there? On Saturday, June 24, 2023 at 1:50:45 AM UTC+2 Richard Turner wrote: > Ivan, > I am using a 13 Pro. And flicking up or down on the speed button does only > switch between standard and high. > Flicking up or down on the play button doesn't seem to do anything. > I will revisit it again after reading the helps. > > > > > Richard, USA. > “What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little > consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin > My web site: https://www.turner42.com > > > On Jun 23, 2023, at 4:14 PM, Ivan Icin <labsii...@gmail.com> wrote: > > OK, > > > for the speed when that standard/high speed button is focused with > VoiceOver you should hear 'adjustable', which means that you can swipe up > and down to do something. In this case it is to increase the current speed > (this way you can customise the value of both standard and high speed > depending on the state of that button). This is also available in the > Settings where you can find sliders to customize those two values (and that > is the only way you can adjust those values for those that don't use > VoiceOver) > > For the navigation the story is a bit more complex as this is a bit more > different than VDR, but in some way it may be even more capable. You need > to be aware of those layers: > - navigation is at the high level accommodated to be of maximal use with > headphones and other audio devices (there are tactile audio commands on all > Apple's headphones and most of the 3rd party ones). As such it is based on > multiple standard audio commands and some their gestures. As I side note I > find somewhat strange that people with eyesight to some extent prefer to > use the app with headphones while blind people that are not in any way > handicapped in using the headphones and are to some extent handicapped in > using the screen extremely prefer to use the screen and I don't have any > explanation for that - even as I have asked few blind people for the > feedback. However I try to support every use case the best it can be so the > app is certainly useful in that way too. > - every standard audio command (play/pause, skip forward, skip backword, > next, previous) and gesture (quick press of the volume up and then volume > down button or quick press of the volume down and then volume up button) > can be customised in the app's Settings to execute any of the commands that > you have mentioned (like going to the next paragraph, sentence, etc). > > Assuming that you are using the screen and not the headphones one question > would be where to find / how to use those audio commands on the screen. So > here is a general overview: > - if VoiceOver is focused on the Play/Pause button you will hear that it > is 'adjustable'. In this context means that if you swipe up or down it will > issue audio command skip forward/backward > - Previous and next buttons are visible on the toolbar (and on the bigger > screens like iPads or landscape on bigger iPhones you will see also skip > forward and backward buttons > - If you use the screen you can certainly press the volume down and very > quickly volume up button (or opposite) to execute some navigation command > that you have set for those gestures > - Page indicator is adjustable control too, so you can swipe up or down > there to navigate pages (but this works only on PDFs, other formats don't > have built-in page definitions - at the moment I am not sure for DAISY as > it has that information but I can't remember if there is the logic to > extract it). This is visible on most modern devices, except on iPhone SE > variants > > The app has a help document in the Extras tab, it is also available online > on this link: https://speechcentral.net/ios-help/ > On Saturday, June 24, 2023 at 12:19:49 AM UTC+2 Richard Turner wrote: > >> Can you explain: >> >> 1. How to adjust the speed on the fly while reading? >> >> >> >> 2. How to navigate by sentence, paragraph, page, heading, or bookmark? >> >> >> >> Is there an instruction guide? I will give it more time. >> >> >> >> The only adjusting of the speed I can find is between standard and high >> speed. Not terribly useful for me. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Richard, USA. >> >> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with >> it.” -- Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe >> >> >> >> My web site: https://www.turner42.com >> >> >> >> *From:* vip...@googlegroups.com <vip...@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of >> *Ivan >> Icin >> *Sent:* Friday, June 23, 2023 2:25 PM >> *To:* VIPhone <vip...@googlegroups.com> >> *Subject:* Re: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing >> >> >> >> Richard, >> >> >> >> First thanks for trying the app, I really appreciate it. >> >> >> >> Second it is reasonable that you can be as proficient in few minutes as >> the app that you were using for more than 10 years. >> >> >> >> So if you say for the speed change, yes you can change the speed with >> VoiceOver gestures from the main screen. As it is done from the speed >> button I think it is fairly straightforward, though again it is reasonable >> that some might not discover that in few minutes. >> >> >> >> I haven't fully understand what way of navigating you wanted to make, but >> preliminary I don't think that your explanation is correct in any use case. >> >> >> >> As such I cannot underestimate your effort to try the app and even >> provide some positive elements of feedback. Still my app has options to use >> Neural voices that are like 10 years ahead of anything in Voice Dream >> Reader, many other options that that app doesn't have and simply calling it >> a cheap option for someone who doesn't have the money to pay doesn't sound >> right. Again nothing wrong if you prefer Voice Dream Reader for whatever >> reason - even if you just got used to it, but I don't find that statement >> as proper. Just for the record I know multiple blind users that have >> switched from Voice Dream Reader to Speech Central as they find it better >> for various reasons even as they have already paid the license. Some are >> using both for various use cases, as said there are many things that Voice >> Dream Reader (or Speech Central if you look from another perspective) >> cannot do. >> >> >> >> I can fully agree only on the limited Bookshare support though, but it >> started with enthusiasm on both sides and ended few months later when those >> people that approved my partnership left Bookshare and those that came >> didn't even want to reply most of the time... As such it is still where it >> was like 5 years ago and it certainly left some things to desire. >> >> >> >> On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 10:32:54 PM UTC+2 Richard Turner wrote: >> >> Ivan, >> >> I just spent some time with Speech Central. To be completely honest, it >> is rather clunky to find a book on Bookshare, but that could be lived with. >> >> The fact that it cannot seem to navigate easily without having to stop >> and use the navigation button is a drawback. Also, not being able to change >> the reading speed on the fly. >> >> But, for those who cannot afford Voice Dream Reader, I can see why you >> get very good reviews. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Richard, USA. >> >> “What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little >> consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin >> >> My web site: https://www.turner42.com >> >> >> >> >> >> On Jun 23, 2023, at 12:06 PM, Ivan Icin <labsii...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Richard, >> >> >> >> Thanks for the question. >> >> >> >> Just to note that there are also few other apps that are Bookshare >> partners. I am aware of Capti Voice, but there should be some more I think. >> >> >> >> Again every app has its pros and cons and I always encourage people to >> try all of them and find the one that suits them the best. Especially in >> this community as my work in this domain is completely non-profit and I >> don’t have any direct benefits if someone decides to use my app (and the >> only indirect benefit is that I may get some more reviews on the App >> Store). >> >> Speaking of that I am happy if someone decides to try my app Speech >> Central >> https://apps.apple.com/us/app/speech-central-voice-reader/id1127349155 >> >> On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 8:37:22 PM UTC+2 gera...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> Volume-boosting capabilities would be awesome as well. Some audiobooks >> and other MP3 material (especially series and films), don't have loud >> enough volume. >> >> Gera >> >> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel >> >> >> >> El 23 jun 2023, a la(s) 11:14 a.m., leoba...@gmail.com escribió: >> >> >> >> Richard, you said: >> >> I would be fine if I had to start paying $59.99 per year. >> >> I think it is by far the best reading app on the market today. >> >> >> >> I agree with you, but if the were to be the case, I would also like to >> see further improvements in the app, such as the ability to play M4B >> books, and transferring books to the app via Web browser using a wifi >> connection. These are characteristics that other similar apps already have. >> >> >> >> Best, >> >> Leo Bado >> >> >> >> *From:* vip...@googlegroups.com <vip...@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of >> *Richard >> Turner >> *Sent:* Friday, June 23, 2023 11:01 AM >> *To:* vip...@googlegroups.com >> *Subject:* RE: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing >> >> >> >> I just wonder if that price was for the Mac version or the iOS version. >> If for the iOS version, that is too high in my opinion. >> >> >> >> I've let the owners know that. >> >> I personally feel that $59.99 per year would be reasonable. >> >> I have used the app since at least version 2 and have been a beta tester >> for Winston Chen for at least 10 years and even though I purchased the app >> at the one time purchase deal, I would be fine if I had to start paying >> $59.99 per year. >> >> I think it is by far the best reading app on the market today. >> >> >> >> I am not impressed with Bookshare's new BookShare Reader app. Nor am I >> very impressed with the DAISY Easy Reader app. >> >> >> >> Later, >> >> Richard, USA. >> >> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with >> it.” -- Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe >> >> >> >> My web site: https://www.turner42.com >> >> >> >> *From:* vip...@googlegroups.com <vip...@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of >> *Ivan >> Icin >> *Sent:* Friday, June 23, 2023 9:49 AM >> *To:* VIPhone <vip...@googlegroups.com> >> *Subject:* Re: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing >> >> >> >> At this point I am not sure to what you refer to, but if you refer to >> reviews they are on the iOS version of the app and they are very recent, >> like just few days ago. >> >> >> >> So at least some people were asked to pay 100$/year recently in the iOS >> app. >> >> On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 6:24:31 PM UTC+2 Richard Turner wrote: >> >> Well, you are correct, of course. At least, mostly. >> >> >> >> However, the subscription started while Winston Chen owned Voice Dream >> Reader for the Mac computers only. >> >> >> >> Winston was going to add the subscription to the iOS version, but he sold >> the company before he did that. >> >> So, the Applause group implemented the subscription model for all >> versions. >> >> >> >> So, if someone was asked to pay $100 last year, that would likely have >> been the Mac version. >> >> >> >> At least, that is what I understand and I could of course be wrong. >> >> HTH, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Richard, USA. >> >> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with >> it.” -- Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe >> >> >> >> My web site: https://www.turner42.com >> >> >> >> *From:* vip...@googlegroups.com <vip...@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of >> *Ivan >> Icin >> *Sent:* Friday, June 23, 2023 8:56 AM >> *To:* VIPhone <vip...@googlegroups.com> >> *Subject:* Re: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing >> >> >> >> Looking at the web site it seems that I can read there what you sad that >> is in the App Store too. So probably a week or two ago when I checked it >> was different. It probably means that they have finally settled to that 80$ >> price point (it could be that they are still experimenting with non-US >> markets or that those markets will take more time to update the listings >> due to lower sales volume). You can read in the reviews that there are >> people in the US that were asked to pay 99$/year, so certainly that price >> was there very recently. >> >> >> >> Anyway I did say that their most common price point was 80$ or 90$ (I >> wasn't sure which one as that was from my mind), so what you said isn't >> diametrically opposed to what I said. >> >> On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 5:41:42 PM UTC+2 Ivan Icin wrote: >> >> I think that I had that information from the website for the US App >> Store. >> >> In my country the pricing is in EUR, so I don’t think that I have looked >> there, currently there are 6 annual subscriptions with prices 45-130 EUR. >> >> On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 4:55:31 PM UTC+2 Richard Turner wrote: >> >> I just checked in the app store and only found one price in the US: Annual >> Subscription$79.99. >> >> Also listed are the various voices you can purchase at $4.99 each. >> >> >> >> What country are you in? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Richard, USA. >> >> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with >> it.” -- Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe >> >> >> >> My web site: https://www.turner42.com >> >> >> >> *From:* vip...@googlegroups.com <vip...@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of >> *Ivan >> Icin >> *Sent:* Friday, June 23, 2023 1:42 AM >> *To:* VIPhone <vip...@googlegroups.com> >> *Subject:* Re: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing >> >> >> >> You have information on pricing in the App Store. Currently they are >> experimenting with something like 5 price points. In general in such cases >> developers randomly assign those to users to see what price points brings >> the most money to them. As the App Store arranges those by the one that is >> currently most frequently used, I think that their most likely price is >> currently 80 or 90$/year. There is one higher price point than that and >> several lower >> >> >> >> So at the moment the app doesn’t have a uniform price. But it seems that >> you are much more likely to be charged close to 100$/year than 50$/year, >> which is the overall range that they use. >> >> On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 1:26:12 AM UTC+2 Richard Turner wrote: >> >> Where did you get that price from? >> >> That is much higher than had been announced. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Richard, USA. >> >> “What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little >> consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin >> >> My web site: https://www.turner42.com >> >> >> >> >> >> On Jun 22, 2023, at 4:18 PM, Ivan Icin <labsii...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> I had too many typos, so here is corrected version with few more words: >> >> Voice Dream is now a free app, so from the aspect of Apple that acquired >> license is now worth 0$. Also take that free with a bit of grain as it now >> actually costs around 100$/year to be used, just it is free to download. If >> you already own the license in general you don’t need to pay the new price, >> but the system isn’t bulletproof as Apple doesn’t support such a transition >> and it it technically possible that some users might need to pay, though >> that should be a very tiny ratio. >> >> >> >> Other that that when it was a paid app Family Sharing was meant only for >> in-app purchases, and this is Apple’s policy for all paid apps. >> >> On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 8:45:39 PM UTC+2 Tim wrote: >> >> That is a good question...:) >> I had the same issue. >> Tim >> >> On 6/22/23, leoba...@gmail.com <leoba...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > Hello. Someone I know is having issues with Voice Dream Reader and >> family >> > sharing. This person bought VDR time ago when it was acquired through >> > one-time payment. However, now he wants to share VDR but a message pops >> up >> > saying that it is not possible. 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