Hi Siegard In Belgium I am hearing complaints of blind beta testers that randomly edit fields toe dit tekst are behaving extremely sluggish. Davy
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> Namens Sieghard Weitzel Verzonden: zondag 16 juli 2023 22:14 Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com Onderwerp: RE: IOS 17, is it worth it? Caroline, you have to realize that the first public beta was only just released a few days ago. This is the third beta since iOS 17 was released and between now and mid September, when iOS 17 will be officially released, there will be at least another 5 or 6 more beta releases with fixes. My sighted wife accidently installed it on her iPhone 13 Pro since she didn't realize that she was installing a very early beta version so I decided to also install it in case she ran into issues and at least I could hopefully help her then. The main issue I experience right now is that particularly in the Weather Office app which I use here in Canada, Voiceover sometimes goes silent as if you were to do a 3-finger double tap, i.e. you still hear the clicks and tones when you swipe, but there is no speech. I then have to turn Voiceover off and back on with a triple press of the side button. Apart from that everything is actually amazingly stable and I have a feeling this will be a decent initial release. In fact, the issue where if you use a Siri voice for Voiceover you sometimes get this little hickup where it seems Voiceover restarts and focus goes to the top of the screen seems to be gone. This is where if you have screen curtain turned on you get a sort of glitch and then Voiceover says "screen curtain on" as if it was restarting. -----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2023 10:47 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IOS 17, is it worth it? If I keep hearing this sort of thing about 17, I'll just skip it and wait for 17.1. -----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Long Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2023 9:35 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IOS 17, is it worth it? I agree if you aren’t going to report things don’t join the beta. From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: Friday, July 14, 2023 1:29 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IOS 17, is it worth it? I would definitely move up to 17 when it comes out, and I’d always say IOS updates are worth the upgrade, including for VO users. As Sieghard says, whether you want to try a beta or not is more dependent on whether you want to participate in the beta process than getting access to any new features. In other words, I don’t think you should join a beta just to get fixes or new features. You should only do it if you want to be part of the testing process for these features. -- Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷ Chaltain at Outlook, USA From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> <viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Friday, July 14, 2023 9:55 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: IOS 17, is it worth it? One thing you have to remember is that if you put iOS 17 public beta or any early public beta on your primary phone that you have to be willing to expect problems. This could be small stuff, but it could also mean that certain apps you use crash and are unusable until the developer updates them or something in iOS 17 is changed. It May mean more battery drain and this is certainly something I have read about in connection with iOS 17. Another issue some people seem to experience is that the Messages app is very sluggish. Also, ifyou do go ahead you should be willing and able to send feedback to Apple when you run into an issue so they can look into it and if you feel it concerns a particular app you should also contact the developer of the app to let them know. One thing I heard about for Voiceover users is that drag and drop currently does not work; this seems to have been fine in the first developer betas and may possibly have only been introduced in this first public beta release although once again, it may not be an issue for all users. 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