IMO, judgements like soulful should not be comeing out of a machine. Where is this going any way.
Kind of scarry. James B -----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2023 9:12 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Be my eyes new service I don't see the problem either. If someone doesn't like the descriptions they're getting out of a service then they just don't need to use it. They can find another service that provides descriptions more to they're liking. -- Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷ Chaltain at Outlook, USA -----Original Message----- From: realman02 via VIPhone <viphone@googlegroups.com> Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2023 8:16 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Be my eyes new service The problem is that a non-human thing, Open AI, is making subjective judgments about people and objects in pictures and there's no way to query the AI why it came up with that judgement. Plus I want to make my won judgements and don't want to be influenced by a machine. All I'm saying is that we need to think carefully whether we really want Be My Eyes to be giving us these judgments or having them reserved for human interactions. I realize this is veering off topic so won't be replying anymore. Happy listing! -----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of lenron brown Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2023 9:04 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Be my eyes new service I don't see the problem. On 9/21/23, realman02 via VIPhone <viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote: > to you, she is, appropriately, loveable. But to Open AI? > > Really think about whether you want Be My Eyes to be giving value > judgments and subjective judgments to its descriptions. > > > > John > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of > Kellie > Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2023 7:53 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Be my eyes new service > > > > I guess to each their own. 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Thanks > for your suggestions. > > > > Best wishes > > > > Paula > > > > Sent from Samsung Mobile on O2 > Sent from Outlook for Android > <https://aka/. > ms%2FAAb9ysg&data=05%7C01%7C%7Cd8c67f46243b45ac096408dbbb097286%7C84df > 9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638309421484895211%7CUnknown%7C > TWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVC > I6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=2vYsPSJ2hXhaIQHqVQO8nd4JB5wnSEykhiwVAut > YCgU%3D&reserved=0> > > _____ > > From: Paula Pinder <pinder.pa...@gmail.com > <mailto:pinder.pa...@gmail.com> >> > Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2023 2:29:55 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > <viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > > Subject: Re: IPHONE UPDATE BROKEN MY PHONE > > > > Thanks all for your messages. > > > > I can't go back to IOS as my iPhone has stopped talking and I have > tried everything everyone suggested. > > > > Best wishes > > > > Paula > > > > Sent from Samsung Mobile on O2 > Sent from Outlook for Android > <https://aka/. > ms%2FAAb9ysg&data=05%7C01%7C%7Cd8c67f46243b45ac096408dbbb097286%7C84df > 9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638309421484895211%7CUnknown%7C > TWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVC > I6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=2vYsPSJ2hXhaIQHqVQO8nd4JB5wnSEykhiwVAut > YCgU%3D&reserved=0> > > _____ > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > <viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > on > behalf of Dennis Long <dennisl1...@gmail.com > <mailto:dennisl1...@gmail.com> > > Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2023 2:23:17 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > <viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > > Subject: RE: IPHONE UPDATE BROKEN MY PHONE > > > > First this isn’t an android list. Second I would just switch back to iOS. > You wouldn’t have this problem on iOS. You can attempt contacting > Google accessibility but if you have the experience Jonathan Mosen and > others who called his show have had good luck. > > > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > <viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On > Behalf Of Paula Pinder > Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2023 4:06 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > Subject: IPHONE UPDATE BROKEN MY PHONE > > > > Hi All > > > > I've updated my iPhone to IOS17 and I can no longer get it to speak. > It plays the Voiceover sounds but no voice. Im using my husband's > Android Samsung S10 phone and I cant get it to read everything > properly like I could on the Iphone? 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