I haven't updated to the latest version of mac Os just because I was kind of worried if there were any issues. I don't really use my mac for everyday browsing, it's just for checking email and production work. I haven't been working in logic all that much lately so it's been sitting there looking pretty for a bit.
On 10/8/23, John Panarese <jpanar...@gmail.com> wrote: > Google Chrome, Brave and Firefox are alternative browsers to Safari on > the Mac. In addition Safari in Sonoma seems to work with better results on > two different machines of mine compared to Ventura. > > There is an old expression about people and opinions that I’m sure some > folks are familiar with. In thirty or so years in this industry, I wish I > had a dollar for every negative review and voiced criticism of a piece of > software, hardware, operating system etc. I’d have retired by now … > > > Take Care > > John D. Panarese > Director > Mac for the Blind > Tel, (631) 724-4479 > Email, j...@macfortheblind.com > Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com > > APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer > > AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE > > MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT > > > > >> On Oct 8, 2023, at 8:40 PM, Ron Canazzi <aa...@roadrunner.com> wrote: >> >> Hi Group, >> >> Since this editorial involves primarily Safari browser and since there are >> other browsers such as Firefox that can be used on the Mac, has anyone >> tried Firefox on a Mac or perhaps any other browser? >> >> >> On 10/8/2023 7:35 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: >>> I love my iPhone and even my Apple TV, but while I tried Voiceover on a >>> MAC a little, it is not a system I would want to deal with on a >>> day-to-day bases. >>> >>> Maybe that is because I have been using Jaws at first with DOS in 1989 >>> and since the mid 90’s with Windows, but I can’t even imagine what such a >>> bug would do to me now when my retail business runs on a web-based point >>> of fsale and accounting platform and I virtually use Chrome (or sometimes >>> Edge) along with Excel and Outlook literally all day long. >>> >>> Of course I don’t claim that Windows 11 with the latest version of a >>> Chromium-based web browser or Firefox and Jaws 2023 and for a while now >>> Jaws 2024 in Beta is perfect, but it’s very rare that Windows, Chrome or >>> Jaws crashes when I use our point of sale, Lightspeed Retail and I often >>> go the entire week without having to reboot my computer. On Saturday >>> evenings we usually turn all the computers at my store off since we are >>> closed Sundays, but once they get turned on Monday morning they stay on >>> until Saturday evening. >>> >>> >>> Best regards, >>> >>> Sieghard >>> >>> >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >>> <viphone@googlegroups.com> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of >>> janet gross >>> Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2023 4:27 PM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >>> Subject: We Deserve Better from Apple Why I Can No Longer Recommend a Mac >>> to Fellow Blind Computer Users. >>> >>> >>> Hello Everyone, >>> >>> Here is an interesting article I just thought some of you might like to >>> read. >>> >>> >>> >>> https://www.applevis.com/blog/we-deserve-better-apple-why-i-can-no-longer-recommend-mac-fellow-blind-computer-users >>> >>> We Deserve Better from Apple: Why I Can No Longer Recommend a Mac to >>> Fellow Blind Computer Users >>> >>> As many of you will know from personal experience, there is a >>> longstanding issue with VoiceOver on Mac where Safari will frequently >>> become unresponsive with VoiceOver repeatedly announcing the message >>> “Safari not responding.” When this issue occurs, the user's Mac may >>> become unusable for up to several minutes at a time. Sometimes it can be >>> resolved by switching away from Safari. Sometimes restarting VoiceOver >>> can resolve the issue. However, far too often, the user is unable to >>> switch away from Safari or turn VoiceOver off, instead having to simply >>> wait for their Mac to become responsive again. >>> >>> This “Safari not responding” behaviour when using VoiceOver dramatically >>> impacts productivity and overall usability of Macs for blind and low >>> vision users. Furthermore, it appears that the issue extends beyond just >>> Safari - many other common applications that utilise Apple's WebKit >>> browser engine can also be affected by the “not responding” problem. >>> >>> It is also important to point out this issue occurs regardless of the >>> specification level of the Mac - it has been widely experienced on the >>> latest Apple silicon-equipped Macs with 16GB or more of RAM, so even >>> owners of top-tier new Mac hardware still face this crippling VoiceOver >>> bug. >>> >>> This critical problem has persisted for years across multiple MacOS >>> versions without a permanent fix from Apple. Given the longevity and >>> level of disruption caused by this bug across Safari and other >>> applications, I can unfortunately no longer in good faith recommend Macs >>> to anyone who relies on using VoiceOver. The impact of this bug when >>> performing routine, and often critical, tasks in Safari and other >>> applications simply makes macOS an unreliable and frustrating platform. >>> >>> Macs have traditionally been popular within the blind community, and they >>> offer some great accessibility features. However, frankly, Apple should >>> be utterly ashamed that they have let this issue persist for so long >>> without a permanent fix. It's a failing that raises serious questions >>> about the company's frequently stated commitment to accessibility. There >>> can be no doubt that if sighted users were to experience something >>> similar, that it would receive significant media coverage and that >>> Apple's response would be fast. >>> >>> I believe we need to escalate out urging of Apple to prioritise and >>> permanently solve the “Safari not responding” bug that has plagued >>> VoiceOver users for far too long. To this end, I encourage those of you >>> who use VoiceOver on Mac to directly contact Apple's accessibility team >>> at accessibil...@apple.com <mailto:accessibil...@apple.com> to share your >>> own personal experiences with and frustrations about the “Safari not >>> responding” issue. It is important we continue putting direct, polite >>> pressure on Apple to prioritise resolving this problem. Please be >>> constructive in expressing your concerns. Consider also copying Apple CEO >>> Tim Cook on your email by using his publicly shared email address >>> tc...@apple.com <mailto:tc...@apple.com> to ensure he sees the direct >>> impact this ongoing bug is having on Apple's blind and low vision >>> customers. >>> >>> I want to emphasise that the “Safari not responding” bug is far from the >>> only issue effecting VoiceOver users on Mac. As our recent post on >>> problems in macOS Sonoma and the replies outline, >>> <https://www.applevis.com/blog/macos-sonoma-new-features-changes-improvements-bugs-blind-low-vision-users> >>> there are numerous other VoiceOver frustrations and failures impacting >>> users. However, it has become a yardstick by which Apple's overall >>> performance on and commitment to accessibility is being judged. It is a >>> yardstick against which Apple has failed for some considerable time. >>> >>> I know many of you share my frustration. I welcome your perspectives and >>> discussion in the comments. Collectively, we need to apply consumer >>> pressure by being vocal about this issue and not purchasing new Macs >>> until the “Safari not responding” issue is fixed once and for all. 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