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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Keith Kramlinger
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2024 12:24 PM
  Subject: Re: A question for Bluetooth users


  Thank you very much for these.
  This is probably a very silly question. Do these keyboard commands for 
voiceover work for Bluetooth keyboards connected to an iPhone, a Mac, or 
both?
  Thanks in advance. Keith




    On Jun 26, 2024, at 1:08 PM, Robert Doc Wright 
<yeshua.talmi...@gmail.com> wrote:


    
    Voiceover iPhone keyboard commands

    http://www.wrighthere.net/Voiceover_iPhone_keyboard_commands.txt
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Sieghard Weitzel
      To: viphone@googlegroups.com
      Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2024 11:33 AM
      Subject: RE: A question for Bluetooth users


      That is somewhat correct, there is no version of Whatsapp for the iPad 
"yet", but it is in Beta, see the below article:



      iPad users finally get a dedicated WhatsApp application; here's how to 
do it



      Best regards,

      Sieghard



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      From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of 
Cris Ali
      Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2024 8:54 AM
      To: viphone@googlegroups.com
      Subject: Re: A question for Bluetooth users



      No Mario. There is no Whatsappversion for IPad. You can only access it 
using a browser like Safari.

      Follow me on X @ibnalbalad



      > On Jun 26, 2024, at 10:26 AM, Mario Eiland <eila...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

      >

      > I can't answer that question. I don't use an iPad. I imagine the 
layout might be a bit different from that of the iPhone since it's being 
used on a larger screen and it takes advantage of the screen size. I presume 
you use the iPhone version of WhatsApp? I find it pretty easy to navigate 
WhatsApp on the iPhone.

      >

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      > From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf 
Of

      > Cris Ali

      > Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2024 7:05 AM

      > To: viphone@googlegroups.com

      > Subject: Re: A question for Bluetooth users

      >

      > Sorry Mario, I apologize for confusing your name.

      > I use an iPad and I got used to it with time. As you indicated, an 
iPad can be a drag in the beginning for VO users. I am wondering if you 
tried using the desktop version of Whatsapp on your iPad. I find the 
chronology of chats very confusing.

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      >

      >> On Jun 26, 2024, at 8:37 AM, Mario Eiland <eila...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

      >>

      >> Hi Cris,

      >> I am not Robert, but I also use a Bluetooth keyboard quite 
extensively. I have never delt with the full keyboard feature before and I 
have been fine. Regarding your question about using it either with an iPhone 
or iPad, I use it with both although I don't recommend totally blind people 
to use an iPad since it's a bit unwieldy and you have to cover a lot of more 
screen real estate when navigating. I usually, recommend iPads for low 
vision folks so that they can take advantage of the screen size when dealing 
with zooming in and out.

      >>

      >> -----Original Message-----

      >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf

      >> Of Cris Ali

      >> Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2024 6:40 PM

      >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com

      >> Subject: Re: A question for Bluetooth users

      >>

      >> Thanks Robert. I tried to turn on the full Bluetooth Keyboard 
setting today to  try it and found it weird to use compared to when it is 
turned off. Since you have been using Bluetooth Keyboard for many years, did 
you use on an iPhone or with an iPad?

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      >>>> On Jun 25, 2024, at 9:24 PM, Robert Doc Wright 
<yeshua.talmi...@gmail.com> wrote:

      >>>

      >>> It is going to be based on what you get use to.  I've been using 
a

      >>> BT keyboard for several years. I tried to switch to the hardware

      >>> keyboard feature but found it too cumbersome for me.

      >>> ----- Original Message -----

      >>> From: "Cris Ali" <filasti...@hotmail.com>

      >>> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>

      >>> Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2024 12:23 PM

      >>> Subject: A question for Bluetooth users

      >>>

      >>>

      >>> Hello dear listers,

      >>> I posted my question on the BlindApple mailing list but got no

      >>> replies or comments. It sounds that there are no bluetooth 
keyboard users on that list.

      >>> Hopefully I will be luckier here.

      >>> I am a new user of bluetooth keyboard with VoiceOver on an iPad.

      >>> Should I keep the full keyboard access setting found under 
settings,

      >>> accessibility,, full keyboard access on or off? What are the

      >>> advantages or disadvantages of keeping this setting to off or on

      >>> when using a bluetooth keyboard? Which setting do you recommend?

      >>> I would appreciate your suggestions and help.

      >>> Cheers,

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