Thanks Esther I really appreciate all the information you gave me. I'm not 
quite sure how I'll put this all together but if I come up with a document that 
has all this information I'll definitely let you see it.  thanks a lot I 
appreciate the help you have given me!


On Mar 22, 2013, at 5:25 PM, Esther <mori...@mac.com> wrote:

> Hello Mickey,
> 
> Richard is indeed correct that the keyboard shortcuts you are
> describing that work for iOS devices are a subset of the editing
> shortcuts that work on the Mac in Cocoa apps (which include most of
> the basic apps like Mail, TextEdit, etc.).  Similarly, selecting text
> by holding down the Shift key in combination with a movement command,
> like your example of Control+Shift+Down Arrow, where Control+Down
> Arrow moves you to the end of screen, is another Mac concept that
> carries over to iOS keyboard usage.  (Actually, I would probably use
> Command+Shift+Down Arrow to the move to the end of a text document --
> there's a distinction between end of screen and end of a document.)
> 
> Shortcuts like Control+K (which moves to either the end of a line or
> the end of a paragraph depending on application and context -- on a
> Mac, in TextEdit, this shortcut would move to the end of a paragraph)
> are part of a larger group of shortcuts that are familiar to linux
> users who used control line editing and/or the emacs text editor.
> Those shortcuts, like Control+A to move to the beginning of a line and
> Control+E to move to the end of a line, also work with iOS, and can
> even be used to select text when applied in combination with pressing
> the Shift key.  However, I don't think I would ever use those
> combinations, when the same movement actions can be achieved with
> Command+Right arrow or Left arrow, and selection accomplished by also
> pressing the Shift key, unless I were using a keyboard with no Command
> key, or where the Command key were placed in a position where pressing
> this combination would be difficult to do -- as in the case of the
> Riitek mini-Bluetooth keyboard sold by Speedots and ATguys.
> 
> These extra shortcuts were discussed on this list, but during the 3-
> year period when list posts were not archived at the Mail Archive, so
> it would be extremely hard to locate any posts that were not also cc'd
> or sent to the macvisionaries list, which was archived.
> 
> Here's a Mail Archive page link to a post from July 2010 on "Apple
> Wireless Keyboard Shortcuts for the iPhone and iPod Touch in iOS 4"
> that was saved at the macvisionaries list archives.  It lists the
> Control+K combination among a number of other emacs-like control
> shortcut sequences.
> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/msg26148.html
> 
> That post also links to another, older post on "Moving and Selecting
> in Cocoa Apps" that outlines how all these key combinations work on
> the Mac (and incidentally in iOS by extension):
> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/msg26148.html
> 
> If you want a more recent Apple Knowledge Base article on "OS X
> Keyboard Shortcuts" that describes some of the combinations you
> mention, like Control+K, see this page:
> http://support.apple.com/kb/ht1343
> Use item chooser menu to move to "Application and Other OS X
> Shortcuts" and start reading from there.
> 
> The biggest modification in going from Mac OS X keyboard shortcuts to
> iOS keyboard shortcuts is that the "Fn" key at the bottom left corner
> of the Apple Wireless Keyboard is not used for iOS.  So actions like
> Forward delete of characters (Fn+Delete) or words (Fn+Option+Delete)
> don't work in iOS, nor do combinations like Fn+Up arrow (Page Up), Fn
> +Down arrow (Page down), Fn+Left arrow (Home), Fn+Right arrow (End).
> 
> In addition to editing shortcuts, the Mac has option key combinations
> for typing accents, symbols and special characters.  These are
> language dependent, but some popular ones are Option+8 to type a
> bullet, and Option+Shift+K to type an "Apple" symbol.  Mickey, you're
> on the Mac-Access list, so if you search the Mail Archives for that
> list you'll find a lot of my posts about special characters, etc.
> 
> HTH.  Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> On Mar 22, 8:50 am, Richard Turner <richard.turne...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Mickey,
>> I think you will find some of these are Mac keyboard commands.
>> I have not had time to really investigate this, but check the list of Mac 
>> VoiceOver and just Mac keyboard commands and see if some of these, or all of 
>> them, work on the devices.
>> HTH,
>> 
>> Richard
>> (Sent from Richard's iPod Touch 5th gen)
>> 
>> On Mar 22, 2013, at 10:29 AM, Mickey Quenzer <mickey.quen...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Hello all:
>> 
>>> I would like to make a complete list of the editing commands which you can 
>>> use while editing with a BlueTooth keyboard.
>>> an example of a keyboard command which I found for myself is that Control 
>>> Plus Shift Plus Down Arrow selects the text from your cursor to the end of 
>>> the document.  However, this command isn't described with Control Plus 
>>> Option K.
>>> Does Anybody know where I can get such a command list?
> 
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