I have done the same thing and actually thought about mentioning it as well.
Fred Olver
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From: "Eileens Misrahi" <eileen.misr...@gmail.com>
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 8:39 AM
Subject: Re: Text Grabber and Prizmo have different strengths.
Hi Sandy,
I am not sure that my comment will be off topic, but here goes. Way back
when I was in grad school, I would have a book that would not scan very well
with either OCR products. I would pull the binding off so I could lie a
single page flat down on the flatbed scanner to get the optimal result. I
only bring this up is that this step may need to be used again until you or
someone else will figure it out. I punched holes in the margins, so I could
preserve the book for later use. I will be receiving my StandScan today and
I am looking forward to getting perfect or near perfect scans of various
written materials. Once I have some confidence with the device, I will begin
to experiment with recipes. Thanks for all your hard work in making it
easier for all us us to use Ocr on our iPhone.
Best,
EileenHi Sandy,
I am not sure,that my momment will be off topic, but here goes. Way back
when I was in grad school, I would have a book that would not scan very well
with either OCR products. I would would pull the binding off, so I could lie
a single page flat down on the flatbed scanner to get the optimal result. I
only bring this up is that this step may need to be used again until you or
someone else will figure it out. I punched holes in the margins, so I could
preserve the book for later use. I will be receiving my StandScan today and
I am looking to getting perfect or near perfect scans of various written
materials. Once I have some confidence with the device, I will begin to
experiment. Thanks for all your hard work in making it easier for all us to
use Ocr on our iPhone.
Best,
Eileen
Hi Sandy,
I am not sure,that my momment will be off topic, but here goes. Way back
when I was in grad school, I would have a book that would not scan very well
with either OCR products. I would would pull the binding off, so I could lie
a single page flat down on the flatbed scanner to get the optimal result. I
only bring this up is that this step may need to be used again until you or
someone else will figure it out. I punched holes in the margins, so I could
preserve the book for later use. I will be receiving my StandScan today and
I am looking to getting perfect or near perfect scans of various written
materials. Once I have some confidence with the device, I will begin to
experiment. Thanks for all your hard work in making it easier for all us to
use Ocr on our iPhone.
Best,
EileenSentHi Sandy,
I am not sure,that my momment will be off topic, but here goes. Way back
when I was in grad school, I would have a book that would not scan very well
with either OCR products. I would would pull the binding off, so I could lie
a single page flat down on the flatbed scanner to get the optimal result. I
only bring this up is that this step may need to be used again until you or
someone else will figure it out. I punched holes in the margins, so I could
preserve the book for later use. I will be receiving my StandScan today and
I am looking to getting perfect or near perfect scans of various written
materials. Once I have some confidence with the device, I will begin to
experiment. Thanks for all your hard work in making it easier for all us to
use Ocr on our iPhone.
Best,
EileenHi Sandy,
I am not sure,that my momment will be off topic, but here goes. Way back
when I was in grad school, I would have a book that would not scan very well
with either OCR products. I would would pull the binding off, so I could lie
a single page flat down on the flatbed scanner to get the optimal result. I
only bring this up is that this step may need to be used again until you or
someone else will figure it out. I punched holes in the margins, so I could
preserve the book for later use. I will be receiving my StandScan today and
I am looking to getting perfect or near perfect scans of various written
materials. Once I have some confidence with the device, I will begin to
experiment. Thanks for all your hard work in making it easier for all us to
use Ocr on our iPhone.
Best,
Eileen from my iPhone
On Mar 25, 2013, at 6:24 AM, Sandratomkins <sandratomk...@googlemail.com>
wrote:
Hi Annie,
It wasn't bad, was it?
In the end, Prizmo took the prize! Text Grabber did well, but Prizmo
dealt best with the columns. However, this was my second shot, the first
showed the half frction for the lemon, but was less good elsewhere. So,
why did it mistake the fraction in one scan and not in the other? Why is
it that when you keep the book in precisely the same position and the
lighting the same, is it that you get differing results? This is,
obviously, more to do with software than the physical nature of scanning.
There wasn't much between the two, but I would suggest that having both
apps will afford the best chance of getting perfect/near perfect scans
depending upon the layout/formatting of the text. Also, if you are away
from your StandScan pro, prizmo is still much easier to use, it is more
forgiving of slight skewing of the text.
Now, i am also interested to see how i can improve on rounded surfaces.
E.G. tins/bottles. Thus far, they prove difficult with tins doing better
than bottles of wine, this is because the diameter of a wine bottle is
less than the usual tin, so less curvature and less distorting of the
text.
What is nice here is that we are beginning to speak of more difficult
aspects of scanning and not of the simple stuff which is very doable now
with these apps and the StandScan Pro. I think I have read that you are
awaiting yours? If I am right, please do let us know how you do with
recipes etc, will you? Many people here may not be interested in recipes,
but may be interested in, say, mathematical formulae or scientific symbols
etc, getting good results with recipes will help in working toward this
IMHO.
Happy scanning and I could only wish that having scanned a recipe, I
could only get as proficient at actually cooking it!
Sandy.
Sent from my iPhone
On 25 Mar 2013, at 12:35, Annie Skov Nielsen <annieskovniel...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Hi Sandra.
Is this scanning done with textgrabber or prizmo.
I have been scanning books for many years, and I can tell that cookbooks
are the most difficult books to get a sensible result from. I am really
impressed that you can get such results with a IPhone and standscan.
Best regards Annie.
On Mar 25, 2013, at 1:20 PM, Sandratomkins <sandratomk...@googlemail.com>
wrote:
Hi,
I have just been playing with Text Grabber and Prizmo in conjunction
with my StandScan Pro. I decided to try them with a book that I
attempted to scan many years ago using a flat-bed scanner and Kurtzweil.
My results, possibly, ten or more years ago, were less than
satisfactory. In fact, you couldn't follow the recipes because the
quantities were illegible. Now, in many ways, the apps we have available
to us on the iPhone, are in their infancy. obviously, they are a
fraction of the size of, say, Kurtzweil and, also obviously, a fraction
of the price. plus, now we are dealing with a portable solution. When
you want to read a letter, something simple with no columns etc, both
Prizmo and Text Grabber will do the job, especially when using the
StandScan Pro. However, imbedded columns and symbols for
grammes/ounces/fractions etc can prove daunting for these pocket sized
OCR packages. Now that we have a way to position the phone exactly, and
we can ensure perfect lighting conditions, when things go wrong it is
more to do with the scanning/OCR capability of a given app rather than
the physicality of scanning. Also, there is one other variable: to wit,
when we use a flat-bed scanner, the book we are scanning is facing down
onto a flat surface and gravity alone will heple with ensuring the
flatness of the text. Now and again, we may use pressure on that book to
make sure that the text nearest to the spine is readable. This we cannot
do when the book is facing up toward the phone. So, until apps such as
Prizmo or Text Grabber get really clever and learn to deal with
distorted text, we aill always have trouble scanning two pages of a
book, apart from when we are scanning roughly half way through, because
only half way through will allow you to hold the pages equally flat.
With all this in mind, I tried both Text Grabber and prizmo on my "The
Big Book of Tomatoes". I wanted results that would mean I could follow
the recipes with ease. In the end, for good enough results, I had to use
only single page shots. These pages all have paragraphs of text plus
columns of ingredients. Below is my best result, there are two
significant mistakes, where you will hear 'tilda" it should read "half"
(so half a lemon). Also, when it says "s minutes" it should read 5.
The rest is perfect, it starts wheE. half way through a sentence and
finishes at the bottom, half way through a sentence.
We are getting there, these results are much, much better than those
obtained by me and my expensive Kurtzweil and flat-bed scanner all those
years ago. I do know that kurtzwiel ahs improved since then, but our
phones and OCR apps are catching up fast. The point of all this is to
draw people's attention to the fact that not everything is about the
right position of the phone and the lighting, it is also about software.
So, here it is!
"f Tomato Soups ~ in the yoghurt. Taste and adjust the seasoning with
salt, Tabasco, lemon juice and possibly, depending on the ripeness of
the fruit, a little sugar.
Pick the mint leaves from the stalks and chop very finely. Stir into the
soup. Serve very cold.
HOT SOUPS BLACK BEAN SOUP WITH TOMATO AND
Serves 6-8 AVOCADO RELISH
Black beans, not to be confused with black-eyed beans, are small, shiny
and kidney-shaped. Their slightly sweet flavour is complemented by
onions and garlic, goes well with coriander, cumin and tomatoes, and
needs to be pepped up with chilli. This soup combines all those flavours
and the result is an intriguingly aromatic, thick and chunky soup,
freshened with a 'salad' of raw tomato and avocado seasoned with lemon
juice.
4 tbsp vegetable oil
2 large onions, diced 4 garlic c(oves, chopped 1 tsp ground cumin 1 tsp
ground coriander 1 tsp dried oregano 1 bay leaf
250 g dried black beans, soaked in water for at least 4 hours and
drained
2 x 400 g tins italian tomatoes for ~he garnish
1 firm but ripe avocado, diced 1 tbsp lemon juice
2 plum tomatoes, cored, peeled, 1 tbsp tomato purde
1 scant tsp Tabasco a large bunch coriander (approximately 75 g), leaves
only, chopped
1.75 litres hot water or vegetable stock
salt and freshly ground black pepper
~,~ lemon
seeded and diced 100 g soured cream
a few coriander leaves Heat the oil in a large pan and saut6 the onion
and garlic for several minutes until slippery but not coloured. Stir in
the cumin, ground coriander, oregano and bay leaf, then add the beans.
Cook, stirring constantly, for S minutes.
Run a sharp knife through the tomatoes a few times while still in the
tin and add them, with their liquid, the tomato pur~e, Tabasco and
chopped coriander and the hot water or stock. Bring to the boil, turn
down immediately and simmer very gently for 3 hours.
Discard the bay leaf. Put& half the soup in a food-processor or
mouli-legumes. Pass the soup through a sieve, pressing down hard, into
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