This echos my own view. I think everyone on the list brings a diverse array of experiences which allows us to collaborate. This would seem to be a primary reason why one would join a list like this. I've both reviewed apps and read reviews of apps from others which have given me a lot of invaluable information that I couldn't have gotten from simply reading the descriptions in the app store (case and point, which apps work the best with VO). I also think we have to remember that our community consists of people with varying levels of technical expertise, many of whom benefit from an extra degree of assistance that others might not need and who may find searching through archives and documentation intimidating. As well, we have many great minds on the list who may be experts at different things. For example, I'm a very casual Twitter user but I know there are some real Twitter experts on list. So if I wanted to know how to tailor my Twitter experience to be absolutely optimal, I'd probably ask on list instead of search through the App Store. I would probably search through the archives first, but I can understand why a user might not if they are fairly new, or if they want to make sure they were getting the most up to date info.
I think we have to defer to the guidelines here. Many lists (i.e. for open source projects) expect you to have thoroughly read all documentation, FAQs and help pages in advance of asking questions, but as this isn't the case here on the Viphone list, I think we should help where we can and simply pass on if we don't feel that we can offer any assistance. I can honestly say from my experience as a forum and mailing list user since I was in my teens, that "just Google it" responses are the most likely messages that can quickly degenerate into argument. In fact I think it's very cool that this isn't the case here. This is an awesome list! Cheers, Grant On 4/11/13, Maria & Joe Chapman <bubbygirl1...@gmail.com> wrote: > HI. I wasn't going to say anything on this, but here's what I think. > > I could see an app being discussed on this list, I could go to the app store > and read the description, but unless I download it and try it, that doesn't > tell me how well the app works, how easy or not it is to navigate and how > well it works with voice over. I've downloaded many apps I didn't think I'd > like by reading people's comments on this list. I think the best approach > would be to at least put a small description in when posting the app and the > devellopper name. > > > God Bless! Maria from australia > Newbie mac user. > bubbygirl1...@gmail.com > will get you fb as well as email & iMessage. > skype same as email,without the gmail part. twitter bubbygirl > > > > > > > > > > On 12/04/2013, at 2:58 AM, "Fred Olver" <goodfo...@charter.net> wrote: > >> Researching? If you wanted to get an app for your phone you would have to >> do the same thing anyway, so if you are thinking about getting it, why not >> do the searching yourself? >> >> Fred >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "DJ" <grou...@gmail.com> >> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com> >> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 10:45 AM >> Subject: RE: What do they do??? >> >> >>> Thank you Patti for expressing the same thoughts I had while reading >>> this >>> thread. If people don't feel like responding to the "what does this app >>> do" >>> question, then the delete key would serve them perfectly. Nobody is >>> forcing >>> them to become involved in such a thread anyway. Some people aren't as >>> good >>> at researching as others, some people are lazy, and so on. There are >>> all >>> kinds of people from many different backgrounds. Quite frankly, >>> arrogance >>> doesn't usually help others. If I don't know the answer, or if I don't >>> want >>> to reply to a question for whatever reason, I press the delete key. It >>> is >>> that simple. >>> >>> DJ >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On >>> Behalf >>> Of Patti Johnson >>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 9:53 AM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: RE: What do they do??? >>> >>> I was telling a friend about this who was thinking of subscribing to >>> this >>> list; and she said if you're told to do your research all the time then >>> what's the point of the list? >>> I personally don't mind answering questions, no matter how many times >>> the >>> question is asked. >>> Some people are new to this thing, and we don't know who is or isn't. Or >>> their level of experience. Patience needs to be exercised on any email >>> list, >>> because we don't know where the person writing in is coming from. Just >>> my >>> humble opinion. And actually if you don't want to answer that person on >>> list >>> write to them privately, which would take away from the high traffic. >>> Patti >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On >>> Behalf >>> Of Fred Olver >>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 9:44 AM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: What do they do??? >>> >>> Thanks for your comments, I just happen to find it very irritating that >>> somewhat intelligent people choose not, even when they have the >>> information >>> at their fingertips to find the information themselves rather than ask >>> on >>> such a high-traffic list. This was as a result of two messages in a row >>> which asked the question of two different app's, what does it do. >>> >>> Fred >>> ----- Original Message. In this case, there were two mesages in a row >>> that >>> asked the same question, "What does it do ----- >>> From: "Christopher Chaltain" <chalt...@gmail.com> >>> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com> >>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 8:23 AM >>> Subject: Re: What do they do??? >>> >>> >>>> Well, I thought the whole thread was kind of annoying and >>>> condescending myself, and I didn't have the patience to read it. I >>>> doubt many of the targeted audience is going to have the patience to >>>> read such an email let alone follow the tips tucked in it. I also >>>> wonder how much time was spent writing and reading such a message as >>>> opposed to just hitting the delete key when someone asks a question >>>> you can't or don't want to answer. I find the one liners like "What >>>> does >>> this app do?" or "How much does it cost?" >>>> to be just as annoying as the next guy, but given that Raul, as the >>>> moderator, has already done a good job trying to curb such behavior, I >>>> don't think it's going to change human behavior much, and I think it's >>>> best left to Raul and the moderators. >>>> >>>> On 04/11/2013 06:40 AM, Fred Olver wrote: >>>>> Thanks, Will for bringing me a chuckle this morning. I get so tired >>>>> of folks asking what does it do when they could so easily find out >>>>> the information for themselves. >>>>> Maybe my little piece will cause them to think before postting to the >>>>> list. >>>>> Fred >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> *From:* Wil James <mailto:w...@wilanddenise.com> >>>>> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 11, 2013 12:07 AM >>>>> *Subject:* Re: What do they do??? >>>>> >>>>> You forgot the other burning question. How much does it cost? >>>>> >>>>> Sent from Wil's iPhone 4S >>>>> ---------- >>>>> E-mail or iMessage: w...@wilanddenise.com >>>>> <mailto:w...@wilanddenise.com> >>>>> Twitter: wiljames >>>>> zellow: wilcjames >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Apr 10, 2013, at 11:47 PM, "Fred Olver" <goodfo...@charter.net >>>>> <mailto:goodfo...@charter.net>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Inquiring minds want to know, what does it do? What does it do???? >>>>>> What does it do??? The answer is simple, in fact it is so simple >>>>>> it's a wonder you didn't think of it yourself??? Unlike the >>>>>> I-devices, there is a simple yet often-overlooked task which will >>>>>> easily bring you the information you crave. >>>>>> What is it you say, I can't wait, please, please, tell me. >>>>>> Why it's as simple as typing the name of the app in to the space >>>>>> marked, very clearly "SEARCH" I repeat "SEARCH", easily found >>>>>> Where??? Ah, yet another question and yet one which answer is not >>>>>> the commonly used phrase, "Over there", why it is, are you ready >>>>>> for this, are you sure you are ready? It is after all your waiting >>>>>> to find an answer which has iluded mankind for hmmm maybe 20 >>>>>> seconds or so, of course, in the app store. See that wasn't so >>>>>> difficult, now, here are the directions. Merely double-tap on the >>>>>> "app store" Icon on your i-Device, wait for it to open and then, >>>>>> then, look down at the bottom of the page which you will come to. >>>>>> There are five buttons labeled from left to right: "Featured", >>>>>> "top Charts" "genius" "search" and last but not least "updates". >>>>>> Now, all you have to do after tapping the "search" item, a new >>>>>> screen will appear in which you will be presented with an >>>>>> on-screen keyboard, or, you can use an external keyboard, either >>>>>> Braille or standard to gain the information you so badly crave. >>>>>> Then all you need do is enter the necessary information field >>>>>> using voice, keyboard bluetooth or keyboard on the phone and tap >>>>>> "search" and voila, the information appears. This feature can be >>>>>> used to find hidden apps like tap tap see, four square, or >>>>>> perhapse you want to look up 4square. Words like radio or music >>>>>> can present you with literally hundreds of functional >>>>>> applications. Perhapse you long for apps which might be of use to >>>>>> you tomorrow, Saturday, or maybe even next week. >>>>>> Be sure to keep this document in case you forget what to do, lets >>>>>> again, refresh, >>>>>> 1. Find app store on your i-device >>>>>> 2. Double tap to open this item. >>>>>> 3. find the WORD "SEARCH" near the bottom of the screen, >>>>>> double-tap on it at which point you will be presented with an >>>>>> on-screen keyboard or you can use an external one if you wish, >>>>>> 4. Type the name of what you are looking for or something like >>>>>> rpg's or text adventures or cooking or games >>>>>> 5. Again, double-tap the "search" button by using a keyboard to >>>>>> input your information your choice and off you go. >>>>>> I hope this has been helpful, compared to making use of some of >>>>>> the apps available for the iPhone this is truly a very easy task >>>>>> to accomplish. >>>>>> If you still do not feel you understand this task, let me know and >>>>>> I will indeed be glad to put together a podcast and if enough of >>>>>> you ask me too, I'll see about putting it up on "applevis", what >>>>>> is that, you ask, well, that's for another night. but that's >>>>>> another message. >>>>>> Later folks. >>>>>> Happy searching. >>>>>> Fred Olver >>>>>> Thanks to Ester and Jonathon for all of your previous posts >>>>>> teaching all of us what we need to know, I only hope I have come >>>>>> close in presenting the necessary information for those who are >>>>>> having difficulty accomplishing this task. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>> "VIPhone" Google Group. >>>>>> To search the VIPhone public archive, visit >>>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com >>>>>> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>>>>> <mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >>>>>> --- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "VIPhone" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>>>>> <mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> No virus found in this message. >>>>> Checked by AVG - 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