Hi,
Totally agree with this. I used to have the KNFB Reader and though I could
read the menu I much prefer the interaction with others discussing it.
I have to say the number of places doing Braille menu's, particularly chain
restaurants is increasing which is nice!

Louise.



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Of Chris H
Sent: 15 May 2013 5:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: About OCR in restaurants or during shopping, was: Initial
thoughts on Prizmo 2.

Hello all
sorry to be slightly ot but I have been to restaurants and the staff are
more than happy to read out the menus to not only me but any blind friends I
take with me. They will read it out to all of us and wait patiently for us
to decide what we're having. Some restaurants we have been to even have
Braille menus but don't hold your breath as they are few and far between.
Just my £0.02 worth and being back on topic I certainly wouldn't use Prizmo
or any Ocr solution even if they claim they can do so.


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On 15/05/2013 14:46, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
> Hi Krister,
>
> Theoretically maybe one could read a menu with it, but I think it 
> would be inefficient at best and painful at worst. If I am by myself 
> meaning not in the company of a sighted person, I much prefer the 
> interaction with a waiter or waitress to find out what is on the menu. 
> I think I'd feel somewhat awkward standing up and hovering over the 
> table trying to take pictures of the menu to see if I can get some 
> readable text out of it. In many cases the results are probably bad 
> enough so I end up asking anyways. In any case, what's wrong with a 
> bit of human interaction? I at least don't feel it threatens my
independence or ability to live my life.
>
> I feel the same about shopping. I often shop on my way home from work 
> which means after sometimes a 10 or 12 hour work day. At that point 
> the last thing I want to do is work my way through the isles with my 
> iPhone in hand using apps like Digit-Eyes, Talking Goggles or whatever 
> to find what I want. So I call my local Safeway, I have a little small 
> talk with Scott, Bob, Erin or any of the other people who answer and 
> whom I know, then I tell them I'd like to pick up a few things. I tell 
> them what it is because a lot of times it's easier for them to get the 
> stuff if they have some notice rather than having to find somebody to 
> shop with me if I show up when it happens to be busy, and when I get 
> there an hour or so later all I have to do is pay, load my pack and go
home.
>
>
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Krister Ekstrom
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 6:14 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Initial thoughts on Prizmo 2.
>
> Hi,
> For me, who never got good results with Prizmo, at least not in the 
> beginning, the voice feedback is a god send. It's very, very 
> sensitive, and i haven't gotten any usefl results out of it, but that 
> may depend on many factors, however i love the voice feedback feature. 
> With this feature, we truely have a portable ocr solution. Standscan 
> may be good, but it is in fact a bit limiting, i mean how many of us 
> take the standscan to a restaurant and try to read the menu? Now with 
> this new voice feedback in Prizmo we can at least theoretically do just
this.
> /Krister
>
> 15 maj 2013 kl. 12:46 skrev Sandratomkins <sandratomk...@googlemail.com>:
>
>> Hi Fellow OCr Fans!
>>
>>     Like many of us, I downloaded Prizmo 2 yesterday and have played 
>> with
> it a little. primarily, I have questions about it and, perhaps, some 
> of you have the answers?
>>
>>     1. We do seem to have lost the option to give voice commands to 
>> take
> picture. Am I wrong?
>>
>> 2. Prizmo now gives feed-back as to the positioning of the phone when
> scanning. Now, if you use a StandScan Pro, this is irrelevant, it 
> works anyway! But, free-hand, how helpful do people find this? perhaps 
> because I have got quite proficient at using this app free-hand, I 
> actually find these suggestions off-putting, but that might just be 
> me, old dogs and new tricks etc. However, after a few attempts at 
> using this new functionality, I find I am told "no page visible" 
> immediately followed by "ready to shoot" or something of the sort. I 
> am wondering, is Prizmo now working in the same way as the KNFB 
> device/software? I like the idea, but am not sure how useful in real terms
it is.
>>
>> 3. If scanning free-hand, I perfer to use both hands to hold the 
>> phone, I
> get much better results this way, however, without the speak command, 
> I find I have to try and double tap while holding the position, which, 
> I think, may be a definite downside to the new update.
>>
>>     4. It does seem that, especially when using P2 with the StandScan 
>> Pro,
> the OCR is better and faster, however, it does seem that we must now 
> consider the page size options for best results with the SSP. Prizmo 
> seems to be set to A4, by default, but the base of the StandScan Pro 
> is actually larger, It might be American Letter size, not sure, but I 
> found that I did better positioning my document centrally, in the long 
> axis, it is OK to abut along the back of the box, in order not to lose 
> some of the text in the scan.
>>
>>     5. I am delighted to see that we can now add pages to previous 
>> scans,
> but, thus far, I am finding it to be a rather complex method. Perhaps, 
> it is just me, has anyone found a method to do this in just one step?
>>
>>     Finally, I would still prefer Text Grabber for my everyday tasks. 
>> The
> interface is so simple, the OCR equally as good and the speed, comparable.
> However, Prizmo 2 does offer us some interesting options, perhaps it 
> will be most useful for "Power OCR users" I think it a baluable 
> upgrade, but miss the voice command feature. Only hoping that someone 
> will tell me where to find it...
>>
>>     Good wishes, Sandy.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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