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Ta, R.

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From: "Donna" <merma...@bellsouth.net>
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2013 11:53 PM
Subject: Re: New Blind Photography list -was- Re: personal photo experience 
was: Re: taking photos when blind


Hi Cara

I followed the link to the photography group that you started. I can't find 
where to join. Could you please send me the direct link to join?  Taking 
pics is one of my fave hobbies,, or it use to be, until I lost my sight a 
year ago. I want to get back into pic taking, but the lack of confidence and 
having to rely on a sighted person to edit my pics is what is holding me 
back. I'm hoping that the group will help to draw me out of my shell.

Donna

> Hi All,
>
> For those interested on both lists, I've just started a Blind Photography 
> group at:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/blindphotography
>
> Membership is open right now so y'all can join but I'll be making the 
> group invite-only very shortly so we head-off spammers before they start. 
> :)
>
> Please feel free to come on  in and continue this great discussion!
>
> This group is not limited to use of cameras on Macs or iDevices, but is 
> open to all discussion around photography and the blind / visually 
> impaired…
>
> Enjoy and see y'all there!
>
> Cara :)
> On Jun 5, 2013, at 11:01 AM, Kay Malmquist <kay.malmqu...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
>
> You know,  I find this topic very interesting and wish there were 
> somewhere
> that those of us interested could talk more about it.  Any tips, thought 
> and
> discussion would be neat.  I hate to even suggest this, but maybe a list 
> for
> this subject would be quite popular.
>
> Kay Malmquist
> kay.malmqu...@gmail.com
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Cara Quinn" <modelc...@gmail.com>
> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2013 12:44 PM
> Subject: Re: personal photo experience was: Re: taking photos when blind
>
>
> Rob, while some may know that photography is one of the closest things to 
> my
> heart, having both shot and modeled for some time, alas, the list does not
> take attachments.
>
> And, though I find this topic to be one of my absolute favorites every 
> time
> it comes up, we do need to focus a bit here on iDevices so perhaps we can
> continue this with an emphasis on how iDevices with cameras have 
> influenced
> us as photographers…
>
> For myself, I've always loved shooting images both when I could see and
> after that changed. Not only was the advent of digital photography a 
> godsend
> as I could have the complete abandon and confidence of getting great shots
> and not needing to worry about running out of film, but when the iPhone
> became accessible and Apple had the amazing quality of insight and 
> inclusion
> to make the camera app fully accessible, it was (and still is) a very 
> moving
> experience for me, for which I'm eternally grateful! :)
>
> So often, because people would assume the question, 'Why on earth would a
> blind person want to use a camera?' it is still amazingly refreshing to me
> that Apple completely flew in the face of this wrongly held assumption and
> by doing so, made it possible for many more of us to either continue the 
> art
> we love or have the flexibility to become acquainted with a new experience
> taking photos, perhaps for the first time…
>
> Though I'd already had quite a bit of experience composing shots both 
> behind
> and in front of the camera, I decided it would be fun to sit in on a photo
> class that the Braille Institute offers, here in LA. I liked it so much I
> ended up enrolling in it and used my iPhone constantly, sharing shots I'd
> take with the instructor / class.
>
> I was like the only iPhone user in the class at the time and the quality 
> of
> the pics really did make an impression on the instructor… There were also
> class projects similar to the one just discussed in this thread and also 
> an
> exhibition but I'll refrain from going OT here, no matter how much I'd 
> love
> to! :)
>
> Anyway, for those of you whom find that you really do benefit from the
> iDevices as cameras, would you mind sharing your experiences and how these
> devices help you? Conversely, for those whom may not feel this way, what
> improvements could be made that you feel might help you be able to use the
> cameras on iDevices more easily and creatively?
>
> Thanks a bunch y'all! Great topics and experiences! thanks so much for
> sharing!…
>
> Smiles,
>
> Cara :)
> On Jun 5, 2013, at 2:54 AM, RobH! <bobs...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> I have to say, I like to try the odd angle, an angle you're never gonna 
> get
> putting the camera to your face.  With on screen images, even the sighted
> don't need to do this any more.
>
> Can I post a  picture to the list, took it yesterday, it is getting quite 
> a
> reaction.  Anyone looking at the perspective is gonna know I never got 
> down
> that low to take it or I might not have got up again.
>
> Ta, R.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Joanne Chua" <shuang.an...@gmail.com>
> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Cc: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2013 10:44 AM
> Subject: OT: personal photo experience was: Re: taking photos when blind
>
>
> Hi,
>
> After reading some of the post here, i feel that perhaps, might help some 
> of
> you if i share my personal story a little.
>
> early last year, one of the local art disability organization was having a
> series of 6 workshops called "short in the dark" for vision impaired and
> blind people on photographing. there're 12 participants that are blind and
> vision impaired. We all got a loan digital camera, and learning the basic 
> of
> photographic, taking photos as a blind person. The workshop was conducted 
> by
> Mr. Andrew Follows, one of the blind photographer that base in Melbourne
> Australia.
>
> After the workshops, we then, have the task of taking photos for a special
> exhibition, happen in the state library of South Australia, Australia.
> The idea of the exhibition is to exhibit about things that blind people 
> cann
> and can't see, using the art of micro photograph, (close up photos).
>
> I must have took about 5000 photos or more, i think i gone thru 3 x 4gb SD
> Cards in the period of 6 weeks.
>
> It was odd, whenever i go, i'll have the camera with me, and a guidedog. 
> So,
> often, i get people came up to me and ask me if i need help, or, some, 
> even
> questioning if i took someone's camera, or lost, or, one to the extent as
> i'm really blind, and if i got a guidedog that is escape from someone's
> yard.
> Part of the deal is a micro photographer is to go close up with the
> subject/object of whatever you photographing. So, i did a lot of crazy
> stuff, includes laying on the floor in a quite busy footpath, trying to
> capture the foot prints of foot trafics when they went pass on the floor, 
> to
> almost kissing the wall, trying to capture the very texture of the wall 
> etc
> etc.
>
> To cut the story short, we did have an exhibition on the state library, it
> went for a month. 8 out of the 12 participants continued the project after
> the first workshop, and 8 of us do stay on the project till the end.
>
> When i did the project, i often doubting myself, and my ability as a blind
> person to take photos, and the quality of the photos. Soon i learn, it
> doesn't matter. Even if i took a photo of the garbage bin, (one of my 
> better
> short) it gave a different prospective to others.
> When  i got disappointed and discourage  by the comments from the public, 
> i
> know,  when, i was most determine that i want to continue on the project.
>
> Now, almost 17 month has pass since we started the project, and almost 11
> months  pass since the project ended. We are now, talking about finding 
> ways
> to fund the project, to have the second short in the dark project for more
> blind and vision impaired people.
>
> Although it seems weird, or, you may have get lots of weird comments about
> you, as a blind person taking photo, but, just remember, you are not
> alone.Joanne Chua
> Leaders For Tomorrow 2013 Candidate.
>
> On 05/06/2013, at 3:55, Robert Fenton <robert.fen...@samobile.net> wrote:
>
>> Hello:
>>
>> This discussion about taking pictures when totally blind interests me. 
>> How
>> does one focus the image correctly? I read somewhere that VoiceOver is
>> supposed to tell you when the image is centred. I have never seen that
>> happen.
>>
>> Thanks for your help.
>>
>> Bob Fenton
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On 2013-06-04, at 2:13 PM, "Raul A. Gallegos" <r...@raulgallegos.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Sieghard. yes of course. I must have been using my iPhone
>>> up-side-down. <grin>. Seriously, thanks for the reminder. I keep
>>> forgetting that sometimes jailbreak tweaks add things which one gets 
>>> used
>>> to and then one uses them as if they had always been there.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Raul A. Gallegos
>>> I love strawberry Quik. It's my favorite pink fluid narrowly beating out
>>> Pepto-Bismol. - Sheldon Cooper
>>> Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47
>>>
>>> On 6/4/2013 11:33 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
>>>> Hi Raul, just a small correction, it is the volume up button that takes
>>>> the
>>>> picture.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of Raul A. Gallegos
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2013 8:02 AM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: taking photos when blind
>>>>
>>>> Hi, one thing which helps with iPhone picture taking is pressing the
>>>> volume
>>>> down button also simulates the shutter button. So you don't have to
>>>> worry
>>>> about moving the phone out of focus when double-tapping the take 
>>>> picture
>>>> button at the bottom center of the screen or doing a 2-finger
>>>> double-tap.
>>>>
>>>> --
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>>>> you're in her chamber of secrets." - Sheldon Cooper Twitter and 
>>>> Facebook
>>>> user ID: rau47
>>>>
>>>> On 6/1/2013 7:31 PM, Joanne Chua wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> Not sure if such apps exist, however, there are technics you can use
>>>>> that
>>>> will give you reasonable result with whatever you are photographing. It
>>>> can
>>>> use in both iphones and also digital camera.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not sure what device you have, let say, you using an iphone. if 
>>>>> you
>>>> taking picture of something, try to aline it on your forhead, as if,
>>>> your
>>>> eyes become the camera lance. So, whatever you see will be what will be
>>>> the
>>>> camera sees. If you can picture yourself in front of the object or the
>>>> subject you photographing of, you usually have 80% chance of taking it
>>>> in a
>>>> line as your eye sees it.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is much easier using a camera, however, using it on an iphone help
>>>>> as
>>>> well. However, using an iphone does require a lot of practice, as the
>>>> take
>>>> picture button is on the sscreen.
>>>>>
>>>>> Another tip, place the phone slitely left to your eye, or to your
>>>> forehead, as the lance of the back facing camera is on the top right
>>>> side of
>>>> the camera. however, if you using the front facing camera, its on the
>>>> top
>>>> middle.
>>>>>
>>>>> Again, it takes a lot of practice to get use to, but you'll eventually
>>>>> get
>>>> there.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hope this help.
>>>>>
>>>>> I hope this help.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> JoanneSent from my iPad
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 01/06/2013, at 5:07, James Lockwood <lockwoo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Ok. does anyone know of an application for the iphone that gives
>>>>>> feedback
>>>> about when an item you are taking a picture of is centered ect? the
>>>> camera
>>>> sometimes does it with faces already. but is there any program out 
>>>> there
>>>> which helps people who are completely blind take good or reasonably 
>>>> good
>>>> photos without the object being half off the screen or off center
>>>> drastically?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/jim-lockwood-shows-podcast/id55398
>>>>>> 1192
>>>>>>
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