I agree that Apple is the first company to have such wide spread
accessibility across their product line, but I still don't agree that
they were the first company to care about accessibility, which is what
Fred stated.
I'm sure we'll disagree on what's meant by lip service and caring, but
through out the 80's and 90's, IBM had multiple teams working on
products like PC Said, Screen Reader, Screen Reader/2 and Home Page
Reader when to my knowledge Apple had no one dedicated to accessibility,
at least not that I can tell from the Apple products at the time and
their lack of representation at consumer gatherings of the blind. This
doesn't even include IBM's other products, their contribution to open
source projects with respect to accessibility and their work on
standards related to accessibility. Like I said, I'm sure you'll call
this lip service, but I think this is more than lip service.
There's the further issue that comparing IBM and it's product line to
Apple and it's product line is like comparing Apple's and oranges. I'm
not even sure what it means for IBM to have accessibility across it's
product line since most of the OS's that run on IBM's hardware aren't
developed or controlled by IBM. I haven't used all IBM developed
applications by any stretch, but I can't think of any applications I've
used from IBM, Lotus, Tivoli or Rational that weren't accessible.
IMHO, we can talk up Apple and their commitment to accessibility, since
it's story is so good, without having to mis characterize the facts or
history or run down other companies or products.
On 06/11/2013 05:51 PM, David Chittenden wrote:
I agree that Microsoft and IBM have both paid lip service to accessibility, IBM
more than MS, but Apple is the first to provide comprehensive accessibility
throughout their product line.
David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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On 12/06/2013, at 10:10, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com> wrote:
I didn't think there was any bad energy, pessimism or worry in Shane's message
or email either. I think people watching their first WWDC keynote should be
able to ask innocent and sincere questions on this list. My only frustration
with Shane's message, which I solved with the delete key, is that this has
already been discussed on this list. There's going to be a lot of discussion on
this list about IOS 7 and the WWDC, so if people are interested, I'd suggest
they pay attention to these discussions on this list and maybe even look
through the archives before asking a question that they think might have
already come up. Note I wouldn't have said anything about this at all, if I
wasn't already responding to Fred's message.
Also, in my opinion, Apple wasn't the first computer company to care about
accessibility. Microsoft and IBM were investing resources on accessibility back
when Outspoken was the only screen access option for Apple products and in
those intervening years between Outspoken and VoiceOver where Apple had no
accessibility for their products. I agree Apple has a better accessibility
story right now than any other computer company, but this hasn't always been
the case.
On 06/11/2013 03:08 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
Wow!
a bit sensitive no? I didn't get a ounce of negativity from his post. Note: he
said its his first time watching WWDC so, he's probably not aware that Apple
seldom speaks about accessibility during their keynotes. And he asked for
others thoughts. He offered no opinion of his own except, he thought IOS 7
sounded interesting. I wouldn't really put that down in the negative category.
lol. I don't see how having no opinion, and asking for that of others is
negative? Or, did I miss something in his post?
Just saying.
Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info
On Jun 11, 2013, at 3:14 PM, Fred Olver <goodfo...@charter.net> wrote:
Shane, why concentrate bad energy on something which 1 we do not have any
control over and 2 we don't know what the future holds with regard to
accessibility.
Is there some reason we should spend all this time until fall worrying about
this? Have you a crystal ball and have seen in to the future? Apple was the
first, or nearly the first computer-based company to care about those of us
with disabilities, is there some reason you think they might change their mind
about this.
Sounds to me like it would make more sense to look forward optimistically
rather than look forward pessimistically, takes less energy and it is truly
alot more fun.
Fred Olver
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Subject: Apple Keynote
Hi guys,
Well yall, what'd you think of the presentation? I've Never saw one live, but
I've been watching it on my Apple TV. What I've heard, it sounds like iOS 7
will be pretty interesting, but I didn't hear anything mentioned about
accessibility... Your thoughts?
Shane.
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