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-----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Joanne Chua Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2013 9:05 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Cc: <viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Dont recommend updating to IOS 7 Hi, as a regular iBooks user, (at least ones a day on the iBooksStore). the manual for iOS 7 for Ipad and IPhone and iPod was available since late last week. Regards Joanne Chua The flip side of Inclusion is Exclusion. Leaders For Tomorrow 2013 Candidate Send from my iPad On 22/09/2013, at 6:27, "Trea Abma" <trea.a...@gmail.com> wrote: > It is in the iBookstore already. > > -----Original Message----- From: Les Kriegler > Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2013 5:07 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Dont recommend updating to IOS 7 > > Hi Mary, > > If my memory is accurate, documentation never gets released at the same time as does the OS. I'll bet within a month, we'll have an updated user guide for IOS7. > > Les > On Sep 20, 2013, at 12:13 AM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi Cara, >> It seems to me that the weakness of this release of iOS 7, not to mention many many releases of android, is that the developers of the OS don't take the time to document it and put that documentation out there for the public. That would include all accessibility change documentation. >> Somewhere somebody got the idea that nobody is willing to read documentation, and that everybody prefers to mumble and bumble and grumble around the OS to find out what is new. To me, that seems absurd. Okay. Not everybody wants to read in-depth documentation. But for those of us who do, it seems a shame that the opportunity is denied us. >> Mary >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Sep 19, 2013, at 9:04 PM, Cara Quinn <modelc...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi John and list. >>> While I agree completely, let me also offer the precept that iOS has always been built on its ability to be easily discoverable. >>> >>> -And for me at least, in iOS 7 so far, the level of what I consider to be good discoverability is less than I'd like. >>> >>> However, rather than go into details now, I'm holding my thoughts for a while for exactly the reason John puts across in this note. >>> >>> While I personally find this version of iOS way less discoverable I also feel that not only is this just the first release of this incarnation of iOS, but also I do think there needs to be more than a 24 hour period for me to draw lasting conclusions about this, if for no other reason than not all features are obvious to everyone at this point. So while I do have my impressions, as we all do, I know there's a lot I'll be learning as well. >>> >>> So there's my point of view for the moment. :) >>> >>> Thanks for all the great posts both from those who like / do not like iOS 7 so far. >>> >>> That's part of what this list is for after all! >>> >>> Thanks All and have a great night!. >>> >>> Smiles, >>> >>> Cara :) >>> On Sep 19, 2013, at 11:38 AM, John Panarese <jpanar...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> I mean absolutely no offense, but you really have to read documentation and understand what has changed before jumping to conclusions. I will address your 5 points and explain what I mean. >>> >>> 1. In Accessibility settings, turn on, reduce motion. This will speed up the speed of the phone with VoiceOver. >>> >>> 2. Yes, VoiceOver sounds are different. You are basing your recommendation on personal opinion. Like anything else, you get used to them. Change is not always comfortable for folks, but human beings tend to adapt to change in the long run. I have already. >>> >>> 3. There is a separate control for silencing VoiceOver sounds independently or having them remain on. >>> >>> >>> 4. I think point 1 might help with the focus issues. Not sure though because I haven't experienced this myself. >>> >>> 5. Again, your opinion. There are a lot of changes to the interface that make iOS 7 worth the upgrade. The handwriting feature, the 4-finger double tap to start VO practice mode, the Control Center, the new layout to Calendars and Reminders, the new SIRI voices and the expansion of what you can do with SIRI, and several others. Learn about iOS 7 and use it for a few weeks before jumping to conclusions in 24 hours of use. >>> >>> It's funny how I read posts like this with every iOS upgrade and Mac upgrade. I know for a fact I still haven't learned all of the new things yet and am discovering changes every time I use my iPhone and iPad. >>> >>> >>> >>> Take Care >>> >>> John D. Panarese >>> Director >>> Mac for the Blind >>> Tel, (631) 724-4479 >>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com >>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com >>> >>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX Mountain Lion and LION >>> >>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE >>> >>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sep 19, 2013, at 11:20 AM, James Lockwood <lockwoo...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> personally, i do not recommend updating to IOS7. i did on my iphone 5 and here is what i dislike about it. i know some may disagree and that is fine. sometimes people attack you when you dare criticize the GREAT APPLE! >>>> >>>> problems i have in IOS7 >>>> 1. slower. i have noticed on my iphone 5 voice over seems to run slower. it seems to be more sluggish on speech and flicking through applications. the phone also takes a half or more of a second to lock when i click the lock button. >>>> >>>> 2. voice over sounds are different. on the ipad voice over, voice over would always make a sound when you flick from different frames or areas on the page. for example, if you are on an ipad and in the messages application, try flicking from the message display area down into the text message box where you type new messages. you do this by flicking right. on the ipad voice over always made a unique noice indicating that you have gone into a new area of the screen. the iphone voice over never did this. well, on the new IOS 7 it now does. this annoying >>>> >>>> 3. the side switch no longer silences flicking sounds. on IOS 6 the switch above the volume buttons would silence the clicks made on voice over when one flicks left or right. on the new IOS7 this switch has no effect on the special clicks and noises associated with voice over. >>>> >>>> 4. voice over looses focus. i have noticed, and perhaps it is just me, that voice over sometimes looses focus on where you were last on the screen. it is difficult to explain and perhaps i am the only one who has this problem. but, sometimes when i am flicking right down a page, voice over appears to jump back to the top or loose focus in some other manner. voice over was always completely stable in IOS6 and i never had this problem. nor did i ever have voice over read previously read aloud text at the wrong time when such text was not being selected and should not have been read. again, difficult to explain. but, i do not believe voice over is as stable as it used to be >>>> >>>> 5. finally, i dont see any real feature enhancements. without any real enhancements i wouldnt update. just my recommendation >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. >>>> >>>> Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. >>>> >>>> Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. >>>> >>>> Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. 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