Epub On 22/09/2013, Ed Pinkman <pink...@abe.midco.net> wrote: > What format are the IOS books? > > Ed > > -----Original Message----- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf > Of Joanne Chua > Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2013 9:05 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Cc: <viphone@googlegroups.com> > Subject: Re: Dont recommend updating to IOS 7 > > Hi, as a regular iBooks user, (at least ones a day on the iBooksStore). > the manual for iOS 7 for Ipad and IPhone and iPod was available since late > last week. > > Regards > > > Joanne Chua > The flip side of Inclusion is Exclusion. > Leaders For Tomorrow 2013 Candidate > Send from my iPad > > On 22/09/2013, at 6:27, "Trea Abma" <trea.a...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> It is in the iBookstore already. >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Les Kriegler >> Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2013 5:07 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Dont recommend updating to IOS 7 >> >> Hi Mary, >> >> If my memory is accurate, documentation never gets released at the same > time as does the OS. I'll bet within a month, we'll have an updated user > guide for IOS7. >> >> Les >> On Sep 20, 2013, at 12:13 AM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi Cara, >>> It seems to me that the weakness of this release of iOS 7, not to >>> mention > many many releases of android, is that the developers of the OS don't take > the time to document it and put that documentation out there for the > public. > That would include all accessibility change documentation. >>> Somewhere somebody got the idea that nobody is willing to read > documentation, and that everybody prefers to mumble and bumble and grumble > around the OS to find out what is new. To me, that seems absurd. Okay. Not > everybody wants to read in-depth documentation. But for those of us who do, > it seems a shame that the opportunity is denied us. >>> Mary >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Sep 19, 2013, at 9:04 PM, Cara Quinn <modelc...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi John and list. >>>> While I agree completely, let me also offer the precept that iOS has > always been built on its ability to be easily discoverable. >>>> >>>> -And for me at least, in iOS 7 so far, the level of what I consider to > be good discoverability is less than I'd like. >>>> >>>> However, rather than go into details now, I'm holding my thoughts for a > while for exactly the reason John puts across in this note. >>>> >>>> While I personally find this version of iOS way less discoverable I >>>> also > feel that not only is this just the first release of this incarnation of > iOS, but also I do think there needs to be more than a 24 hour period for > me > to draw lasting conclusions about this, if for no other reason than not all > features are obvious to everyone at this point. So while I do have my > impressions, as we all do, I know there's a lot I'll be learning as well. >>>> >>>> So there's my point of view for the moment. :) >>>> >>>> Thanks for all the great posts both from those who like / do not like > iOS 7 so far. >>>> >>>> That's part of what this list is for after all! >>>> >>>> Thanks All and have a great night!. >>>> >>>> Smiles, >>>> >>>> Cara :) >>>> On Sep 19, 2013, at 11:38 AM, John Panarese <jpanar...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I mean absolutely no offense, but you really have to read documentation > and understand what has changed before jumping to conclusions. I will > address your 5 points and explain what I mean. >>>> >>>> 1. In Accessibility settings, turn on, reduce motion. This will speed > up the speed of the phone with VoiceOver. >>>> >>>> 2. Yes, VoiceOver sounds are different. You are basing your > recommendation on personal opinion. Like anything else, you get used to > them. Change is not always comfortable for folks, but human beings tend to > adapt to change in the long run. I have already. >>>> >>>> 3. There is a separate control for silencing VoiceOver sounds > independently or having them remain on. >>>> >>>> >>>> 4. I think point 1 might help with the focus issues. Not sure though > because I haven't experienced this myself. >>>> >>>> 5. Again, your opinion. There are a lot of changes to the interface > that make iOS 7 worth the upgrade. The handwriting feature, the 4-finger > double tap to start VO practice mode, the Control Center, the new layout to > Calendars and Reminders, the new SIRI voices and the expansion of what you > can do with SIRI, and several others. Learn about iOS 7 and use it for a > few weeks before jumping to conclusions in 24 hours of use. >>>> >>>> It's funny how I read posts like this with every iOS upgrade and Mac > upgrade. I know for a fact I still haven't learned all of the new things > yet and am discovering changes every time I use my iPhone and iPad. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Take Care >>>> >>>> John D. Panarese >>>> Director >>>> Mac for the Blind >>>> Tel, (631) 724-4479 >>>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com >>>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com >>>> >>>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX Mountain Lion and LION >>>> >>>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE >>>> >>>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sep 19, 2013, at 11:20 AM, James Lockwood <lockwoo...@gmail.com> > wrote: >>>> >>>>> personally, i do not recommend updating to IOS7. i did on my iphone 5 > and here is what i dislike about it. i know some may disagree and that is > fine. sometimes people attack you when you dare criticize the GREAT APPLE! >>>>> >>>>> problems i have in IOS7 >>>>> 1. slower. i have noticed on my iphone 5 voice over seems to run > slower. it seems to be more sluggish on speech and flicking through > applications. the phone also takes a half or more of a second to lock when > i > click the lock button. >>>>> >>>>> 2. voice over sounds are different. on the ipad voice over, voice over > would always make a sound when you flick from different frames or areas on > the page. for example, if you are on an ipad and in the messages > application, try flicking from the message display area down into the text > message box where you type new messages. you do this by flicking right. on > the ipad voice over always made a unique noice indicating that you have > gone > into a new area of the screen. the iphone voice over never did this. well, > on the new IOS 7 it now does. this annoying >>>>> >>>>> 3. the side switch no longer silences flicking sounds. on IOS 6 the > switch above the volume buttons would silence the clicks made on voice over > when one flicks left or right. on the new IOS7 this switch has no effect on > the special clicks and noises associated with voice over. >>>>> >>>>> 4. voice over looses focus. i have noticed, and perhaps it is just me, > that voice over sometimes looses focus on where you were last on the > screen. > it is difficult to explain and perhaps i am the only one who has this > problem. but, sometimes when i am flicking right down a page, voice over > appears to jump back to the top or loose focus in some other manner. voice > over was always completely stable in IOS6 and i never had this problem. nor > did i ever have voice over read previously read aloud text at the wrong > time > when such text was not being selected and should not have been read. again, > difficult to explain. but, i do not believe voice over is as stable as it > used to be >>>>> >>>>> 5. finally, i dont see any real feature enhancements. without any real > enhancements i wouldnt update. just my recommendation >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" > Google Group. >>>>> >>>>> Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. >>>>> >>>>> Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting > 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