For Mac users, there is an app called iExplorer, which allows you to look at the folder structure of your iPhone.
Not sure if this would do any better, but just a thought. :) Smiles, Cara :) On Oct 6, 2013, at 6:40 AM, Raul A. Gallegos <r...@raulgallegos.com> wrote: Hey, here's a thought, would running an app like iClean help with this? Does the iOS 7 updates get stored in the Other section of the phone's disc space so that an app such as this might be able to clean it out? I have the app, but I don't have a device with iOS 7 pending on it. -- Raul A. Gallegos Oxygen and Magnesium together!? OMg! - Sheldon Cooper Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 On 10/6/2013 8:36 AM, Pablo Morales wrote: > Raul, anybody is saying that IOs 7 install by itself. That every body is > saying that IOs 7 is downloading by itself, filling space memory in our > devices. The way to empty this space, is installing IOs 7, because is no > way to delete the data downloaded by itself. Is true that we have to > agree for the instalation, but apple never asked about agreement to > download and fill memory space in our devices. > . > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raul A. Gallegos" > <r...@raulgallegos.com> > To: <viphone@googlegroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 9:11 AM > Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing > iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. > > >> Hi, a bit late on this. Doing too much iPhone training, which I'm not >> complaining about <smile>. I don't believe there is a way this can be >> done without the user's knowledge or on purpose intervention. Not only >> do you have to tap the install button, you have to tap agree, and then >> agree a second time. Of course with Voice Over, it's double tap. After >> that, the phone goes quiet during the installation process and >> eventually reboots using iOS 7 and you are asked to continue and >> that's the part which shows up in many different languages. So, none >> of this is automagic. I have yet to read a real case situation where >> this has happened to someone. Also, I think it would be all over the >> news if it had. So, I think we are safe from the big bad Apple >> downloading and installing iOS 7 without our consent. Downloading it >> yes, installing it, no. >> >> -- >> Raul A. Gallegos >> A neutron walks into a bar and asks the bartender, "How much for a >> drink?." The bartender says, "For you, no charge". Bazinga - Sheldon >> Cooper >> Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 >> >> On 10/4/2013 9:08 AM, Neal Ewers wrote: >>> Raul. Nice post, and a question. Are there any ways in which Apple would >>> load a new iOS without someone pressing the I agree button or other >>> buttons >>> as well? To hear people tell it, this magically happens in the night >>> with no >>> knowledge of the user. Yes? No? Can we lay this one to rest at last, but >>> then I think that's what your previous message actually did. I was just >>> curious if this had actually happened to anyone though I cannot think >>> that >>> it has. >>> >>> Neal >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On >>> Behalf >>> Of Raul A. Gallegos >>> Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 8:25 AM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing >>> iOS 6 >>> holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. >>> >>> Hi Pablo, you might consider the glass of water analogy. Is it >>> half-empty >>> for you or half-full for you? Are you a half-empty thinker? >>> It certainly seems like it by the tone of your messages. I'm more of a >>> half-full thinker. yes, there are bugs with new iOS releases, but >>> seriously >>> dude, are the bugs worse than what you gain? And if that is true, >>> then why >>> did you update? I'm not talking about the fact that Apple downloaded >>> the iOS >>> on your phone to be ready, I'm talking about your willingness to >>> choose to >>> instal, choose to agree to the terms that I bet you didn't read, and >>> then >>> choose to use iOS7. Apple didn't force your fingers to tap the >>> install and >>> the agree button. And in face, there are two agree buttons just to make >>> sure. So, my friend, you had a choice to upgrade. Now live with it. >>> if this >>> sounds harsh, so be it. If you look at the glass as half-full you >>> will see >>> that despite the bugs, iOS 7 does have a lot of nice things to offer. >>> Also, >>> the bugs will get worked out given some time. yes, Apple may have >>> pushed it >>> out quickly, but seriously, the majority of the millions of users who >>> use >>> the iPhone daily love it fine and don't complain about it because >>> it's what >>> they want. >>> >>> This isn't a personal attack on you, obviously you have the right to >>> express >>> your opinion, and that's what I'm doing as well, but maybe you should >>> consider that there is good in the new release and not all bad. >>> You did the exact same thing with iOS 6 when you upgraded to it. So, >>> this >>> leads me to believe that you always think negatively. If you hate >>> Apple and >>> iPhones so much, why do you even bother having one? >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Raul A. Gallegos >>> I don't think I could kill someone. Let's face it, the closest I've >>> got to >>> murder is holding an Oreo under the milk until the bubbles stop. - >>> Sheldon >>> Cooper Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 >>> >>> On 10/4/2013 3:43 AM, Pablo Morales wrote: >>>> Well, it could be ridiculous for you. Even though, when I see that the >>>> IOs is downloaded automatically to my iPhone, without my agreement, >>>> and it is filling space in my iPhone, and is no way to remove that >>>> information stored in my iPhone, I don't see so ridiculous my email. >>>> Either apple. >>>> When an IOs update appear, every body is looking for improvements in >>>> the operated system, we are not looking for bugs, or steps back in our >>>> devices. So I don't see so ridiculous my email. Less when the apple >>>> devices are the more expensive devices, no when apple is a company >>>> that sales iDevices for a price that for the most part of the people >>>> on the world, are impossible. >>>> When you say that apple give us the right to use their software, but >>>> at the same time they are storing data in my iPhone with out my >>>> permission, and the only way to make that space free is installing the >>>> IOs 7, is not a freedom, it is not a right the god apple gives to us. >>>> This is a command from apple. >>>> so I don't see so ridiculous my email. >>>> when we install a new IOs, every body is waiting improvements, not >>>> bugs, and not bunches of bugs as IOs 7 has. Even though, as you say, >>>> apple give us the right to use their software, thing that is not a >>>> right, it is a command, but their software is not working well, but we >>>> are not able to go back to the IOs that was working better, it is a >>>> right? >>>> No, it is not a right, it is a command.So, I don't see my email, >>>> ridiculous . >>>> Do not forget something. The device that you use, wasn't free. You >>>> paid for that, and you paid money that is not a little bit of money, >>>> it was money that could be the payment for a whole year of work in >>>> many >>>> countries on the world. Money that you paid, and it is money that >>>> you >>>> paid because you were buying a good device. No a cheaper device. >>>> So, I don't see my email as you said. ridiculous . >>>> But let me tell you in my opinion what is ridiculous . >>>> ridiculous is when we pay to a company that created a good software, >>>> a good hardware, hardware and software that made a difference in your >>>> life. But later they changed the software, and you start to get >>>> problems with many things in your device, but you fill ok, because >>>> every IOs bring bugs. It is ridiculous , because you didn't pay with >>>> money cracked, you didn't paid it with a check without funds, you >>>> paid it with money, good money. >>>> What right are you talking about. They installed the data in my >>>> iPhone, without my agreement, they offert a good IOs, but it brings a >>>> lot of bugs, and they don't allow us to come back to the software that >>>> they created, that works better is a right? >>>> No, it is not a right. >>>>> On Oct 3, 2013, at 10:02 PM, John Diakogeorgiou >>>>> <jdiakoge2...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Pablo your email is ridiculous. first of all no one said you had to >>>>> update your software. That was your choice. Second of all you don't >>>>> own the software you own the phone and Apple is giving you the right >>>>> to use their software. The software works quite well. Yes a few bugs >>>>> exist but you should have been aware of them when you chose to use >>>>> the software. >>>>> >>>>>> On 10/3/13, Alan Paganelli <alanandsuza...@earthlink.net> wrote: >>>>>> So is it running slow on the 5s as well? >>>>>> ------- >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Alan >>>>>> >>>>>> Go Chicago Bears in 2013! >>>>>> >>>>>> Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents? Act >>>>>> now!!!!! >>>>>> Move out. Get a job. Pay your bills wile you still know everything. >>>>>> >>>>>> Please click on: >>>>>> http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ >>>>>> There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances >>>>>> played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics >>>>>> format formerly on my >>>>>> >>>>>> website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Ricardo Walker" <rwalker...@gmail.com> >>>>>> To: "viphone" <viphone@googlegroups.com> >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 11:44 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now >>>>>> forcing iOS 6 >>>>>> >>>>>> holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> I haven't seen apps take 5 seconds to open on an iPhone 4S using IOS >>>>>> 7. Is >>>>>> >>>>>> it slower than my iPhone 5? Yes. But, I think 5 seconds to open >>>>>> most apps >>>>>> >>>>>> is a bit of an exaggeration. Sure, some apps might take a while, >>>>>> the more resource intensive ones, but, definitely not the majority >>>>>> of apps. >>>>>> >>>>>> JMO. >>>>>> >>>>>> Ricardo Walker >>>>>> rica...@appletothecore.info >>>>>> Twitter:@apple2thecore >>>>>> www.appletothecore.info >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Oct 2, 2013, at 7:01 PM, Pablo Morales >>>>>>> <pablomorale...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Also, 5 seconds is too much. We have to use the iPhone when we are >>>>>>> on the >>>>>>> >>>>>>> streets, when we are going to the store, when we get a ride, and we >>>>>>> need the gps, So 5 seconds is too much. Now, if in the newer >>>>>>> versions of iPhone takes around 2 seconds, I would like to know, >>>>>>> why? >>>>>>> The new things of IOs 7 is enough to make slower the phones? >>>>>>> maybe the graphic appearance? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Troy Sullivan" >>>>>>> <troysulliva...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com> >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 5:40 PM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now >>>>>>> forcing iOS >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On my 4s, I notice apps take about 5 seconds to load, not right >>>>>>>> away, it >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> could be because I have an older phone though. I'm not able to >>>>>>>> upgrade without a discount until 2015 though so I will deal. >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris H" >>>>>>>> <christopher...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com> >>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 2:03 PM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now >>>>>>>> forcing iOS >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Agreed. Apps took under five seconds to load on a 4, but under >>>>>>>>> two on a >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 4s. So over half the time is cut between each phone. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> E-mail Facebook and iMessage >>>>>>>>> christopher...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 02/10/2013 13:47, Raul A. Gallegos wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Apps are taking up to 50 seconds to start running? Hmm, that >>>>>>>>>> sounds like you need to restore and start over. Even if iOS runs >>>>>>>>>> slower on older phones, apps won't take 50 seconds to start up. >>>>>>>>>> i just can't buy that. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Raul A. Gallegos >>>>>>>>>> Oh I'm not arguing, I'm simply explaining why I'm right. - >>>>>>>>>> Sheldon Cooper Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 9/30/2013 10:25 AM, Pablo Morales wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Yes, IOs 7 is good running on new devices like iPhone 4s, 5 >>>>>>>>>>> and 5s, but this new IOs make slower the iPhone 4, and is very >>>>>>>>>>> annoying try to run what ever app when voice over works so >>>>>>>>>>> slow, when what ever app takes until 50 seconds to start >>>>>>>>>>> opening, and when we have to try and try several times to run >>>>>>>>>>> an app. Is obvious that IOs 7 is heavy for the processor that >>>>>>>>>>> the iPhone 4 has, so make an update of operated system will be >>>>>>>>>>> good for the users who has iDevices with processors relative >>>>>>>>>>> new, but not every body is in position of go to buy an iPhone >>>>>>>>>>> 5s, or pay around 800$ every years when ever apple create an >>>>>>>>>>> new device. 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