Raul very well put. Yes Apple has downloaded software to your phone. Whether we agree with this or not I would be willing to bet lots of money that everyone agreed to this when they clicked I Agree at the time of installing software. Also as I and others have stated before a phone will not be upgraded unless you agree to the terms by tapping agree. The best suggestion I can give to someone if you don't like change or don't want to deal with bugs don't install a software package till others who are willing to deal with these issues have tested it and say it has no bugs.
On 10/4/13, Alan Paganelli <alanandsuza...@earthlink.net> wrote: > I find that really hard to believe that for no apparent reason and by no > action taken on your part that iOS 7 just started downloading and installing > > on your iPhone. Before the installation can happen, you would have to agree > > to the terms and conditions first. Are you sure that you didn't start it > yourself? Even accidentally? > ------- > > Regards, > > Alan > > Go Chicago Bears in 2013! > > Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents? Act now!!!!! > Move out. Get a job. Pay your bills wile you still know everything. > > Please click on: > http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ > There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on > the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my > > website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pablo Morales" <pablomorale...@gmail.com> > To: <viphone@googlegroups.com> > Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 1:43 AM > Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 > > holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. > > > Well, it could be ridiculous for you. Even though, when I see that the IOs > is downloaded automatically to my iPhone, without my agreement, and it is > filling space in my iPhone, and is no way to remove that information > stored > in my iPhone, I don't see so ridiculous my email. Either apple. > When an IOs update appear, every body is looking for improvements in the > operated system, we are not looking for bugs, or steps back in our devices. > So I don't see so ridiculous my email. Less when the apple devices are the > more expensive devices, no when apple is a company that sales iDevices for > a > price that for the most part of the people on the world, are impossible. > When you say that apple give us the right to use their software, but at the > same time they are storing data in my iPhone with out my permission, and > the > only way to make that space free is installing the IOs 7, is not a freedom, > it is not a right the god apple gives to us. This is a command from apple. > so I don't see so ridiculous my email. > when we install a new IOs, every body is waiting improvements, not bugs, > and > not bunches of bugs as IOs 7 has. Even though, as you say, apple give us > the right to use their software, thing that is not a right, it is a > command, > but their software is not working well, but we are not able to go back to > the IOs that was working better, it is a right? > No, it is not a right, it is a command.So, I don't see my email, ridiculous > . > Do not forget something. The device that you use, wasn't free. You paid for > that, and you paid money that is not a little bit of money, it was money > that could be the payment for a whole year of work in many countries on > the world. Money that you paid, and it is money that you paid because you > were buying a good device. No a cheaper device. > So, I don't see my email as you said. ridiculous . > But let me tell you in my opinion what is ridiculous . > ridiculous is when we pay to a company that created a good software, a > good > hardware, hardware and software that made a difference in your life. But > later they changed the software, and you start to get problems with many > things in your device, but you fill ok, because every IOs bring bugs. It is > ridiculous , because you didn't pay with money cracked, you didn't paid it > with a check without funds, you paid it with money, good money. > What right are you talking about. They installed the data in my iPhone, > without my agreement, they offert a good IOs, but it brings a lot of bugs, > and they don't allow us to come back to the software that they created, > that > works better is a right? > No, it is not a right. >> On Oct 3, 2013, at 10:02 PM, John Diakogeorgiou <jdiakoge2...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Pablo your email is ridiculous. first of all no one said you had to >> update your software. That was your choice. Second of all you don't >> own the software you own the phone and Apple is giving you the right >> to use their software. The software works quite well. Yes a few bugs >> exist but you should have been aware of them when you chose to use the >> software. >> >>> On 10/3/13, Alan Paganelli <alanandsuza...@earthlink.net> wrote: >>> So is it running slow on the 5s as well? >>> ------- >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Alan >>> >>> Go Chicago Bears in 2013! >>> >>> Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents? Act now!!!!! >>> Move out. Get a job. Pay your bills wile you still know everything. >>> >>> Please click on: >>> http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ >>> There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played >>> >>> on >>> the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on >>> >>> my >>> >>> website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Ricardo Walker" <rwalker...@gmail.com> >>> To: "viphone" <viphone@googlegroups.com> >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 11:44 PM >>> Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS >>> >>> 6 >>> >>> holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. >>> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I haven’t seen apps take 5 seconds to open on an iPhone 4S using IOS 7. >>> Is >>> >>> it slower than my iPhone 5? Yes. But, I think 5 seconds to open most >>> apps >>> >>> is a bit of an exaggeration. Sure, some apps might take a while, the >>> more >>> resource intensive ones, but, definitely not the majority of apps. >>> >>> JMO. >>> >>> Ricardo Walker >>> rica...@appletothecore.info >>> Twitter:@apple2thecore >>> www.appletothecore.info >>> >>>> On Oct 2, 2013, at 7:01 PM, Pablo Morales <pablomorale...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Also, 5 seconds is too much. We have to use the iPhone when we are on >>>> the >>>> >>>> streets, when we are going to the store, when we get a ride, and we >>>> need >>>> the gps, So 5 seconds is too much. Now, if in the newer versions of >>>> iPhone takes around 2 seconds, I would like to know, why? >>>> The new things of IOs 7 is enough to make slower the phones? >>>> maybe the graphic appearance? >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Troy Sullivan" >>>> <troysulliva...@gmail.com> >>>> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 5:40 PM >>>> Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing >>>> iOS >>>> >>>> 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. >>>> >>>> >>>>> On my 4s, I notice apps take about 5 seconds to load, not right away, >>>>> it >>>>> >>>>> could be because I have an older phone though. I'm not able to upgrade >>>>> without a discount until 2015 though so I will deal. >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris H" >>>>> <christopher...@gmail.com> >>>>> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 2:03 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing >>>>> iOS >>>>> >>>>> 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Agreed. Apps took under five seconds to load on a 4, but under two on >>>>>> >>>>>> a >>>>>> >>>>>> 4s. So over half the time is cut between each phone. >>>>>> >>>>>> E-mail Facebook and iMessage >>>>>> christopher...@gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 02/10/2013 13:47, Raul A. Gallegos wrote: >>>>>>> Apps are taking up to 50 seconds to start running? Hmm, that sounds >>>>>>> like >>>>>>> you need to restore and start over. Even if iOS runs slower on older >>>>>>> phones, apps won't take 50 seconds to start up. i just can't buy >>>>>>> that. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Raul A. Gallegos >>>>>>> Oh I'm not arguing, I'm simply explaining why I'm right. - Sheldon >>>>>>> Cooper >>>>>>> Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 9/30/2013 10:25 AM, Pablo Morales wrote: >>>>>>>> Yes, IOs 7 is good running on new devices like iPhone 4s, 5 and >>>>>>>> 5s, >>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>> this new IOs make slower the iPhone 4, and is very annoying try to >>>>>>>> run >>>>>>>> what ever app when voice over works so slow, when what ever app >>>>>>>> takes >>>>>>>> until 50 seconds to start opening, and when we have to try and try >>>>>>>> several times to run an app. Is obvious that IOs 7 is heavy for the >>>>>>>> processor that the iPhone 4 has, so make an update of operated >>>>>>>> system >>>>>>>> will be good for the users who has iDevices with processors >>>>>>>> relative >>>>>>>> new, but not every body is in position of go to buy an iPhone 5s, >>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>> pay >>>>>>>> around 800$ every years when ever apple create an new device. 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