Patty, you may need to speak with more than one representative. I would not be 
bashful about asking to speak with someone else if you can't get assistance. I 
would like to believe there is a solution here. Good luck.

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> On May 23, 2014, at 9:41 AM, Patti Johnson <pattigj1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I'm on the phone with TW now who doesnt' seem to ha ve a clue, grin.
> However, I am getting a si ghted friend to come over ina while and maybe we 
> an figure this out. I did learn I can use the cable remote to turn the power 
> of the tv off and on.
> Thanks,
> Patti
> 
>> On 5/23/2014 9:31 AM, Les Kriegler wrote:
>> Patty, I don't know. This is why I think you need to speak with a 
>> representative you can explain your exact set up to the individual and see 
>> if you can work something out. I would also suggest that you have cited 
>> assistance available so if you try some things, you can see if it's working 
>> the way it should before you try to do it on your own.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 23, 2014, at 9:22 AM, Patti Johnson <pattigj1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi.  I would like to try this, I ha ve tw as well.
>>> However I have a digital box, and use my tv remote to power on the set.
>>> So would this idea work with a digital box?
>>> Patti
>>> 
>>>> On 5/23/2014 9:09 AM, Les Kriegler wrote:
>>>> Hi Mark, Patty and Interested Others,
>>>> 
>>>> Mark, your suggestion is an excellent one.  I'll offer another option 
>>>> Patty for you to consider.  I had the exact same problem of switching 
>>>> sources to go from regular TV to the Apple TV.  I knew the sequence, but 
>>>> it didn't always take and of course, there was no audible feedback, I just 
>>>> didn't always hear VoiceOver when Apple TV was supposed to have started.  
>>>> I stumbled across a solution by going to my cable provider's tech support 
>>>> department, Time Warner in my case.  After the rep understood the issue, 
>>>> we worked out a system whereby I have much more reliable results.  A lot 
>>>> depends on how your remotes were programmed. I use my Time Warner remote 
>>>> to power on our TV, I then use the TV remote which remains always on since 
>>>> I get no audible feedback when it is off or on.  I then move down to the 
>>>> source, HDMI1 and press select.  Apple TV loads and I can then use the 
>>>> Apple TV remote as usual.  The nice thing is that when I wish to go back 
>>>> to regular TV, I just press one button on my TV
>>>>  remote and I have the last channel I was watching, sound and all.  As I 
>>>> stated, this was worked out with a tech support rep at Time Warner, just 
>>>> substitute your cable provider.  Anyway, just something to try before you 
>>>> go out and purchase anything.  Good luck.
>>>> 
>>>> Les
>>>>> On May 23, 2014, at 4:00 AM, "M. Taylor" <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello Patti,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I've only just tuned into this thread but it sounds like you've been given
>>>>> some excellent help.
>>>>> 
>>>>> You know, we, as technology consumers,  take so many things for granted
>>>>> these days.  For example, I have my Apple TV connected to my big-screen
>>>>> television along with a DVD player, a digital cable box receiver, etc.  
>>>>> And,
>>>>> when I want to switch from watching Cable to the Apple TV, I use the
>>>>> television's input selector.  I am fortunate enough to enjoy a level of
>>>>> residual vision that allows me to do this comfortably.
>>>>> 
>>>>> As I began reading this thread I asked myself what I would do if I lost 
>>>>> the
>>>>> remainder of my vision and was totally blind.  How would I reliably know
>>>>> which input on the television was selected?  This question returns me to 
>>>>> the
>>>>> statement that we technology consumers take so many things for granted.  
>>>>> In
>>>>> this instance, I am referring to the fact that many consumers assume that
>>>>> using the television's input selector is the only way to determine what is
>>>>> being streamed out to the television set.  I guess this stems from the law
>>>>> of conservatism.  That is, most of us want to accomplish more and more 
>>>>> tasks
>>>>> while using less and less hardware.
>>>>> 
>>>>> This explains the ever increasing popularity of the universal remote 
>>>>> control
>>>>> versus device-specific remote controls, among sighted people.
>>>>> 
>>>>> As a low vision consumer, I find that the more devices I attempt to 
>>>>> control
>>>>> with an off-the-shelf universal remote, (1) generally requires more effort
>>>>> and (2) results in less accuracy.  Consequently, I prefer to use
>>>>> device-specific remote controls so that I can commit their various layouts
>>>>> to muscle memory.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I employ the same philosophy when purchasing office equipment.  No
>>>>> printer/fax/scanner combos here.  Simply stated, my scanner can only scan,
>>>>> my printer only prints and my fax, well you get the idea.  The primary
>>>>> benefit to me is that, since I only need to send a fax once or twice every
>>>>> two months or so, the fax machine, being only a fax machine, has 
>>>>> remarkably
>>>>> few buttons.  Therefore, even if I don't use the fax very often, all 
>>>>> things
>>>>> being equal, all I need to do is place a sheet of paper in the proper 
>>>>> place,
>>>>> dial the telephone number, and press the big button on the lower left.  
>>>>> Get
>>>>> it?  If I were to use a combination printer/scanner/fax machine, unless I
>>>>> faxed on a regular basis, it is highly unlikely that I would remember the
>>>>> proper sequence of non-accessible hardware-panel soft-control commands
>>>>> necessary to switch the device to fax mode.
>>>>> 
>>>>> What does any of this have to do with your new Apple TV?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Before all of these remarkably sophisticated digital televisions, with 
>>>>> their
>>>>> multiple input channels, were introduced to the market, we old-timers, who
>>>>> wanted to view external media from remote devices such as VCR consoles,
>>>>> gaming machines, etc through one television, used hardware video
>>>>> switchboxes.
>>>>> 
>>>>> In fact, I used video switchboxes for over ten years in order to 
>>>>> accomplish
>>>>> what was then considered an amazing breakthrough in consumer consumption.
>>>>> The most relevant aspect of this for those of us who are either blind or 
>>>>> low
>>>>> vision is that the switchboxes used good old-fashion hardware 
>>>>> push-buttons.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Allow me to digress for just a moment:
>>>>> At one time, I used a video switchbox along with an audio switchbox in
>>>>> combination with my television and stereo in combination with my Cable 
>>>>> box,
>>>>> gaming console, and VCR recorder.  The net result was that, among other
>>>>> things, I could watch and record my video games while simultaneously
>>>>> listening to the television broadcast of my choice, while at the same time
>>>>> recording a second show and seamlessly switch between the various audio
>>>>> and/or video, inputs, independently, with the press of one or at most, two
>>>>> buttons.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Once, during that time, I had the cable company send someone out to my 
>>>>> house
>>>>> in order to repair an outside connection.  When the cable guy came into my
>>>>> living room and saw my setup, he offered to pay me to set his media center
>>>>> up the same way.  My setup looked like something you'd find in a
>>>>> Frankenstein movie but it worked and it was the envy of all who saw it, 
>>>>> back
>>>>> then.  I do so miss those days (smile).
>>>>> 
>>>>> Okay, getting back to the point.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Patti, should you choose, you can go to your local RadioShaq, or someplace
>>>>> similar, and purchase a digital video switchbox which will allow you to 
>>>>> use
>>>>> hardware buttons to select the various input devices to your television 
>>>>> set,
>>>>> including your Apple TV.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I hope you find this helpful.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mark
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>>>>> Of Sieghard Weitzel
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2014 9:42 PM
>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>>> Subject: RE: apple tv
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yes, each time you want to watch cable or Apple TV you will have to select
>>>>> the correct input.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>>>>> Of Patti Johnson
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2014 9:07 PM
>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: apple tv
>>>>> 
>>>>> Oh rats.  I didn't know all this, t hough I had heard earlier there could 
>>>>> be
>>>>> changes, but then nothing happened, grin.
>>>>> I bought it from Best Buy and it was a few dollars off the regular price.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Well, I guess I'll just ha ve to have some one help me know which port to
>>>>> use and change the menu on the tv.
>>>>> So does this mean I ha ve to change the menu back when I want to watch my
>>>>> Cable?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks for everyone's help, I'm sure I'll get there with this thing.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Patti
>>>>>> On 5/22/2014 8:20 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Patty,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> As Larry already pointed out, the Apple TV gives you access to iTunes
>>>>>> for renting and buying movies and if you are a Netflix subscriber then
>>>>>> it's probably the nicest and most accessible way to consume Netflix
>>>>>> content. It's also great for Youtube.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If your TV has multiple HDMI inputs you do have to be able to select
>>>>>> these depending on what you want to watch. For example, let's assume
>>>>>> you have your cable box connected to HDMI 1, a blueray DVD player to
>>>>>> HDMI 2 and your Apple TV to HDMI 3, then you do have to be able to
>>>>>> select your input on the TV depending on what you want to watch. Often
>>>>>> this is done via a single button which invokes a menu on the TV and
>>>>>> you then have to arrow to the input/source you want and select it.
>>>>>> This may not be the most accessible thing to do, but you would have to
>>>>>> maybe aska sighted friend or family member to help you with this.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Now, as for the Apple TV, had you posted to the list that you were
>>>>>> looking to get one I would have advised you to wait until Monday, June
>>>>>> 2. This is when Apple will have it's world wide developer conference
>>>>>> and when iOS 8 will be introduced.
>>>>>> There are a lot of rumours according to which Apple may announce the
>>>>>> next generation Apple TV during this event and that it will be much
>>>>>> more advanced. There will most likely be an app store for the Apple TV
>>>>>> which means you can get apps for various services and maybe games and
>>>>>> so on and the talk is also that the Apple TV may very well become a
>>>>>> complete replacement for your current set top box.
>>>>>> There are also rumours that the Apple TV will have SIRI and that the
>>>>>> remote may accept voice commands.
>>>>>> Now, having said all this, they are of course rumours and I guess
>>>>>> we'll find out in a week and a half if any of them are true. Did you
>>>>>> purchase your Apple TV from Apple directly? If so you probably have
>>>>>> time to return it should something really cool be announced. If not at
>>>>>> least the apple TV only costs $99 which is not so much compared to
>>>>>> what most other Apple devices cost.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Sieghard
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of Patti Johnson
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2014 12:16 PM
>>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>>>> Subject: Re: apple tv
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Oh!  I see.  I did get the hdmi cable or howevery ou spell it;  I have
>>>>>> 3 ports on the tv to choose from, not sure which to use though.
>>>>>> I didn't think there was a battery in the remote but I got a sighed
>>>>>> friend to look at that and she said there is.
>>>>>> So given that there is one maybe I need to work with it some more.
>>>>>> I am still a bit confused a bout how it works on the tv in conjunction
>>>>>> with cable, does it overide the box, do I need to switch menus on the tv?
>>>>>> Patti
>>>>>>> On 5/22/2014 2:57 PM, Larry Lumpkin wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi.  You don't need the remote app at all.  The apple tv has its own
>>>>>> remote
>>>>>>> which you can use to turn on voice over in the unit.  I think it is
>>>>>>> three clicks of the menu button but there is a good podcast on
>>>>>>> techtalk
>>>>>> describing
>>>>>>> getting the apple tv going.  You go into wi fi settings on the apple
>>>>>>> tv
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> turn it on and connect your network.  You connect the little apple tv
>>>>>>> box
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> your tv using an HDMI cable and setting
>>>>>>>   Your tv to play through this port.  If you want sound through a
>>>>>>> stereo receiver/sound system, you need a tos link or fiber optic
>>>>>>> cable.  We love ours and use it all the time to listen to KDFC
>>>>>>> classical in san Francisco from here in Texas, smile.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of Patti Johnson
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2014 1:02 PM
>>>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>>>>> Subject: apple tv
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hello.  I just got mine yesterday.  I hooked it up but not sure I did
>>>>>>> it correctly.
>>>>>>> I downloaded the remote app and it said to sync with your computer,
>>>>>>> but
>>>>>> when
>>>>>>> I did I couldnt' find anywhere on the Itues after hooking my phone up
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> computer anything about the remote or Apple  TV.
>>>>>>> I know there is a code to put in, it gave me one then another; so I
>>>>>>> will
>>>>>> put
>>>>>>> the first one in when I figure how.  I just want to know how this is
>>>>>>> supposed to work in  con junction with a Cable Digital box.
>>>>>>> Do I turn the box off?
>>>>>>> I looked forr something to read on the setup and just found so much
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>> wade
>>>>>>> through I didn't know where to look or start.
>>>>>>> Any tips please?
>>>>>>> Patti
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