Hello Listers,
Somehow, this really needs to be brought to Apple's attention. I mean in a big 
way. In such a way that they will be willing to really take accessibility 
problems seriously. While I don't know how to best go about this, perhaps 
others might have some really constructive ideas and ways to move forward with 
them.
While I am interested in purchasing a new iPhone 6 or 6 plus, I don't know if I 
want to sink my money and have all kind of aggravations that could have been 
prevented in the first place.
I suppose I'll hold off for quite a while.
Who knows, I might even go over to Android, just a thought.

On Sep 13, 2014, at 1:34 PM, Alan Paganelli <alanandsuza...@earthlink.net> 
wrote:

> I usually hold off a couple of days mostly because everybody and their sister 
> wants to download the update.  Maybe in this case it may be wiser to hold off 
> until we see what others are saying about it.  Sure there are always those 
> who will complained if you hang them with a new rope but perhaps in this case 
> there may well be fire with all that smoke.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Alan
> 
> Go Chicago Bears in 2014!
> 
> Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!!!!! Move 
> out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
> 
> Please click on:
> HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
> There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
> the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my 
> website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Chaltain" <chalt...@gmail.com>
> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 12:08 PM
> Subject: Re: IOS8!!!
> 
> 
> That's true, the difference here though, at least in my mind, is that
> this is coming from someone on the list who I think is pretty level
> headed. If I recall correctly, Sieghard was recommending people upgrade
> to IOS 7 when it came out because the advantages out weighed the
> annoyances and the different ways a few things worked. In this case, you
> have someone who I respect quite a bit on the list sounding the alarm.
> This gives me much more pause then the normal run of the mill complaints
> that come out whenever anything changes. I'll be looking forward to more
> information from Sieghard and others once IOS 8 is released and they
> aren't bound by the NDA they agreed to.
> 
> On 09/12/2014 01:41 PM, Alan Paganelli wrote:
>> As I recall, when they came out with iOS 7 the same thing was said.  We
>> all survived it!  I suspect we'll do the same with iOS 8! <grin>
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Alan
>> 
>> Go Chicago Bears in 2014!
>> 
>> Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!!!!!
>> Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
>> 
>> Please click on:
>> HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
>> There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
>> the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on
>> my website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sieghard Weitzel" <siegh...@live.ca>
>> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 11:50 PM
>> Subject: RE: IOS8!!!
>> 
>> 
>> I can't say too much because of the NDA I agreed to when I signed up for my
>> developer account, but Pablo is wise to stay with iOS 7 for now, there will
>> be a lot of "pissing and moaning" as you put It Ed, that I can guaranty. I
>> can only advise those who like their phone to work very nicely and
>> especially those who like to use their phone with a bluetooth keyboard a
>> lot
>> to maybe wait a bit, iOS 8 is probably one of the buggiest or maybe the
>> buggiest release Apple has done.
>> 
>> Take care,
>> Sieghard
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Pinky
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 4:53 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: IOS8!!!
>> 
>> Hi Pablo,
>> Come on and take a chance on IOS 8.  I like to hear you piss and moan. LOL
>> Just kidding.
>> Ed
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Alan Paganelli
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 5:40 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: IOS8!!!
>> 
>> Oh Pablo it can't be that bad can it? LOL!
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Alan
>> 
>> Go Chicago Bears in 2014!
>> 
>> Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!!!!!
>> Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
>> 
>> Please click on:
>> HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
>> There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
>> the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my
>> website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Pablo Morales" <pablomorale...@gmail.com>
>> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 3:36 PM
>> Subject: RE: IOS8!!!
>> 
>> 
>> Hmmm, maybe you are right.
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Alan Paganelli
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 12:48 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: IOS8!!!
>> 
>> Are you sure Pablo? LOL!  Your taking a huge risk here! LOL!
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Alan
>> 
>> Go Chicago Bears in 2014!
>> 
>> Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!!!!!
>> Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
>> 
>> Please click on:
>> HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
>> There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
>> the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my
>> website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Pablo Morales" <pablomorale...@gmail.com>
>> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 3:48 PM
>> Subject: RE: IOS8!!!
>> 
>> 
>> Oh, yes. I learned the lesson. Maybe for June 2015 IOs 8  will be with no
>> bugs, then I will install it in my phone.
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of John Diakogeorgiou
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 9, 2014 6:19 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: IOS8!!!
>> 
>> You heard correctly. Also! I beg everyone who has a problem with bugs to
>> wait rather than installing the update and spending a lot of time
>> criticizing Apple for such a bad update.
>> 
>> On 9/9/14, Cheryl Homiak <cah4...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>> I think I remember from today that it will be the 17th. But I heard a
>>> lot today so I could be mistaken.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Cheryl
>>> 
>>> I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
>>> I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper thrown in the trash!
>>> Then God gave me a new heart and life:
>>> His joy for my despairing tears!
>>> And now, every day:
>>> "This I call to mind,
>>> and therefore I have hope:
>>> The steadfast love of the Lord
>>> never ceases;
>>> his mercies never come to an end;
>>> they are new every morning;
>>> great is your faithfulness."
>>> (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sep 9, 2014, at 4:52 PM, Anthony Vece <ajv...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Everyone;
>>>> 
>>>> Does anyone know when IOS8 will be available?
>>>> I thought today was the day.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Anthony
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone 5s!
>>>> 
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