Of course they got the bug reports and probably fixed what they could
because there had to be lots more. So, you will say, why didn't they fix
them all? Because they had other priorities like paying some attention to
their shareholders who think in dollars and don't give a hoot about our
very small group.
Now, that's why!
So, let's get positive and report these bugs to Apple so they can fix them
as soon as possible. Now that they've met their target release date, they
might just have a little more time for us.
Ron & Danvers
-----Original Message-----
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Robin
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 4:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS 8 Released
Didn't they (being Apple) receive these Bug Reports from the members of the
"Blind and/or LowVision Community", who participated as Beta Testers for
Apple's iOS8???
Did these people neglect to Report the presence of these Bugs within iOS8?
If not, were they submitted in a timely manner to be addressed prior to
iOS8's Official release?
Last Year, it was access to Apple's iOS App Store, but members of "The
Community" spoke up prior to its release, and were scrutinized for doing so,
but Apple appeared to resolve the issue prior to iOS7's Official Release.
At 12:47 PM 9/17/2014, you wrote:
>How about marking the microwave with Dymo tape labels? At least you
>can then press the correct numbers from 1 through 0. Mark the start
>button, too. You'll have greatly decreased unnecessary guesswork.
>
>As for the accessibility of I O S 8, just as with the previous major
>upgrade, I'm thinking that Apple, given time and necessary reports from
>blind users, will fix bugs.
>
>---
>Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're
>finished, you! really! are! finished!
>----- Original Message ----- From: "David Chittenden"
><dchitten...@gmail.com>
>To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 2:34 PM
>Subject: Re: IOS 8 Released
>
>
>Wow, what an interesting comparison. In reality, such devices have been
>released. The first several devices were not at all accessible to the
>blind. Therefore, your argument does not hold up to what actually
>happens. The fact is, we are a very tiny group of people.
>
>At work, we have a water filtration system which has multiple settings.
>the system announces which type of water is coming out when it is
>started. It does not announce the setting when being set.
>We have a few pieces of tape on the face of the machine so I can find
>the start button.
>
>My microwave oven has no announcements whatsoever. We marked the touch
>panel with dots on the buttons, but I have no way of knowing for
>certain what I have pressed until it is finished. The same is true with
>our washing machine and dryer.
>
>It is unfair to those of us who are blind, but we are not a viable
>market for any mainstream product. Therefore, any bugs which effect
>VoiceOver only are not major or showstopers for over 99% of Apple's
>market
>
>And yet, Apple spends $35 per every iPhone sold for accessibility.
>This is what was stated in April at a shareholder meeting by Tim Cook.
>This is not an insignificant amount of money.
>
>Now that the beta cycle is complete, send in those bug reports. The
>minor VO only bugs can now be worked on more by Apple.
>
>Oh, and as to the question about why doesn't Apple wait until all minor
>bugs are fixed? Well, it is impossible to fix all bugs, so Apple would
>fall behind as a company if they stop innovating in today's world. The
>majority of those who buy products tend to purchase those products with
>the most innovative useful features.
>For example, we just purchased a robotic vacuum. We found a model which
>the base/recharging station empties the dirt from the robot cleaner.
>This way, we only need to empty the dust from the bin in the base
>station once a month or so. Much better than emptying the robot's
>little dust cup after every use. Oh, and the robot needs to be
>programmed by the sighted person. It does not have a blind-accessible
>interface. Fortunately, the robotic lawnmower we are planning to
>purchase next year has an iPhone app that appears to be accessible.
>On 18/09/2014, at 6:35 am, Neal Ewers <neal.ew...@ravenswood.org> wrote:
>
>>Sorry if you get this twice. My email provider has a few bugs today too.
>>Smile.
>>
>>I did not say it had to be perfect, but consider this.
>>If you were developing a popular product that would drastically
>>decrease heart attacks, would you release it first with lots of bugs
>>for people who were blind just because it worked for people who see.
>>Would your company philosophy be that as long as it works for sighted
>>people it will be released even though it is not yet ready for people
>>who are blind? I don't expect it to be perfect, but I see no reason
>>why it is not just as stable for me as it is for my wife. Why am I
>>assumed to be impatient if I think people who are blind should have
>>equal access? Equal access means it works equally for both populations
>>when it is released. I think that is a reasonable assumption.
>>
>>By the way, I did send a similar email to apple.
>>
>>Neal
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>>Behalf Of Charles Rivard
>>Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 1:01 PM
>>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>Subject: Re: IOS 8 Released
>>
>>I think that you are far, far, far too impatient. You expect it to
>>work perfectly, the very first time out of the box, not even
>>considering all of the work it has taken to produce such a major and
>>complicated overhaul. Did version 7.0 work perfectly the first time?
>>Not hardly. It took a while to get the bugs worked out, but they did
>>it. So, rather than immediately whine and complain, how about giving
>>them a bit of slack? Give them time to work the bugs out, just like they
did after releasing version 7.0?
>>
>>---
>>Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're
>>finished, you! really! are! finished!
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Neal Ewers" <neal.ew...@ravenswood.org>
>>To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
>>Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 12:49 PM
>>Subject: RE: IOS 8 Released
>>
>>
>>If people who are sighted had this many bugs with the new OS, Apple
>>would not have released it. I am tired of developers thinking that
>>they can release something to the public and then, if they have time,
>>fix the bugs that make the device much less stable for people who have
>>a disability. I know, at one time, Apple was in the forefront of
>>accessibility. I gave them high praise and they deserved it. But, as
>>some of my Mac user friends have said, they seem to have lately been
>>resting on their former reputation and less on getting it right the
>>first time. Obviously, they knew about all of these iOS bugs before
>>release. This is why they have beta testers who are blind and have low
>>vision. Yet, they decided that was more important to get it to people
>>who see, than to wait until it was just as ready for people who are
>>blind or have limited vision. Shame, shame, shame on you Apple, I
>>thought you were a better company than that. Put your development
>>where your mouth is and fix the many problem issues in iOS 8. Otherwise,
don't claim to be such a friend of people who are disabled.
>>
>>Neal
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>>Behalf Of Charles Rivard
>>Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 12:32 PM
>>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>Subject: Re: IOS 8 Released
>>
>>I'm sure that we can. All we have to do is to wait until they can get
>>it to us. I will patiently wait.
>>
>>---
>>Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're
>>finished, you! really! are! finished!
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "John Diakogeorgiou" <jdiakoge2...@gmail.com>
>>To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
>>Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 11:58 AM
>>Subject: IOS 8 Released
>>
>>
>>Since IOS is released can we get info from beta testers?
>>
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