Re: IOS 8 Released

Wed, 17 Sep 2014 13:05:29 -0700

Didn't they (being Apple) receive these Bug Reports from the members of the "Blind and/or LowVision Community", who participated as Beta Testers for Apple's iOS8???
Did these people neglect to Report the presence of these Bugs within iOS8? If not, were they submitted in a timely manner to be addressed prior to iOS8's Official release? 


Last Year, it was access to Apple's iOS App Store, but members of 
"The Community" spoke up prior to its release, and were scrutinized 
for doing so, but Apple appeared to resolve the issue prior to iOS7's 
Official Release.


 At 12:47 PM 9/17/2014, you wrote:

How about marking the microwave with Dymo tape labels?  At least you 
can then press the correct numbers from 1 through 0.  Mark the start 
button, too.  You'll have greatly decreased unnecessary guesswork.



As for the accessibility of I O S 8, just as with the previous major 
upgrade, I'm thinking that Apple, given time and necessary reports 
from blind users, will fix bugs.


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----- Original Message ----- From: "David Chittenden" <dchitten...@gmail.com>
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 2:34 PM
Subject: Re: IOS 8 Released



Wow, what an interesting comparison. In reality, such devices have 
been released. The first several devices were not at all accessible 
to the blind. Therefore, your argument does not hold up to what 
actually happens. The fact is, we are a very tiny group of people.



At work, we have a water filtration system which has multiple 
settings. the system announces which type of water is coming out 
when it is started. It does not announce the setting when being set. 
We have a few pieces of tape on the face of the machine so I can 
find the start button.



My microwave oven has no announcements whatsoever. We marked the 
touch panel with dots on the buttons, but I have no way of knowing 
for certain what I have pressed until it is finished. The same is 
true with our washing machine and dryer.



It is unfair to those of us who are blind, but we are not a viable 
market for any mainstream product. Therefore, any bugs which effect 
VoiceOver only are not major or showstopers for over 99% of Apple's market



And yet, Apple spends $35 per every iPhone sold for accessibility. 
This is what was stated in April at a shareholder meeting by Tim 
Cook. This is not an insignificant amount of money.



Now that the beta cycle is complete, send in those bug reports. The 
minor VO only bugs can now be worked on more by Apple.



Oh, and as to the question about why doesn't Apple wait until all 
minor bugs are fixed? Well, it is impossible to fix all bugs, so 
Apple would fall behind as a company if they stop innovating in 
today's world. The majority of those who buy products tend to 
purchase those products with the most innovative useful features. 
For example, we just purchased a robotic vacuum. We found a model 
which the base/recharging station empties the dirt from the robot 
cleaner. This way, we only need to empty the dust from the bin in 
the base station once a month or so. Much better than emptying the 
robot's little dust cup after every use. Oh, and the robot needs to 
be programmed by the sighted person. It does not have a 
blind-accessible interface. Fortunately, the robotic lawnmower we 
are planning to purchase next year has an iPhone app that appears to 
be accessible.

On 18/09/2014, at 6:35 am, Neal Ewers <neal.ew...@ravenswood.org> wrote:


Sorry if you get this twice. My email provider has a few bugs today too.
Smile.

I did not say it had to be perfect, but consider this.
If you were developing a popular product that would drastically decrease
heart attacks, would you release it first with lots of bugs for people who
were blind just because it worked for people who see. Would your company
philosophy be that as long as it works for sighted people it will be
released even though it is not yet ready for people who are blind? I don't
expect it to be perfect, but I see no reason why it is not just as stable
for me as it is for my wife. Why am I assumed to be impatient if I think
people who are blind should have equal access? Equal access means it works
equally for both populations when it is released. I think that is a
reasonable assumption.

By the way, I did send a similar email to apple.

Neal

-----Original Message-----
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Charles Rivard
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 1:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS 8 Released

I think that you are far, far, far too impatient.  You expect it to work
perfectly, the very first time out of the box, not even considering all of
the work it has taken to produce such a major and complicated overhaul. Did
version 7.0 work perfectly the first time?  Not hardly.  It took a while to
get the bugs worked out, but they did it.  So, rather than immediately whine
and complain, how about giving them a bit of slack?  Give them time to work
the bugs out, just like they did after releasing version 7.0?

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Neal Ewers" <neal.ew...@ravenswood.org>
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 12:49 PM
Subject: RE: IOS 8 Released


If people who are sighted had this many bugs with the new OS, Apple would
not have released it. I am tired of developers thinking that they can
release something to the public and then, if they have time, fix the bugs
that make the device much less stable for people who have a disability. I
know, at one time, Apple was in the forefront of accessibility. I gave them
high praise and they deserved it. But, as some of my Mac user friends have
said, they seem to have lately been resting on their former reputation and
less on getting it right the first time. Obviously, they knew about all of
these iOS bugs before release. This is why they have beta testers who are
blind and have low vision. Yet, they decided that was more important to get
it to people who see, than to wait until it was just as ready for people who
are blind or have limited vision. Shame, shame, shame  on you Apple, I
thought you were a better company than that. Put your development where your
mouth is and fix the many problem issues in iOS 8. Otherwise, don't claim to
be such a friend of people who are disabled.

Neal

-----Original Message-----
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Charles Rivard
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 12:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS 8 Released

I'm sure that we can.  All we have to do is to wait until they can get it to
us.  I will patiently wait.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "John Diakogeorgiou" <jdiakoge2...@gmail.com>
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 11:58 AM
Subject: IOS 8 Released


Since IOS is released can we get info from beta testers?

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