Speaking of bugs, do you know how to end a phone call when you take that call from the locked screen? I had a friend in the hospital today and found that I could not end a phone call with out shuting down the phone.. Neither could I get the phone out of using the phone call voice which I don't know how to describe other than that, sorry. Also, the problem I had attributed to weather has cropped up again when trying to send messages. So it does look like a Siri issue. My phone is a 5 with 16 Gb of RAM if that means anything. I'm pretty sure I could not recommend this to any blind friend looking for a new phone.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Sieghard Weitzel" <siegh...@live.ca>
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 6:51 AM
Subject: RE: IOS 8 Released


Hi Ari,

iOS 8 has quite a few bugs, iOS 7 had some when it launched and quite a lot
of them got fixed and I am pretty sure Apple will fix bugs in iOS 8 as well.
Other than that iOS is super accessible and if you need or want an
accessible phone then there is no reason to wait. There will always be bugs.
As far as I am concerned iOS is more accessible with all these bugs than the
old Windows Mobile was ever with MobileSpeak or Talks.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Ari Moisio
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 1:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS 8 Released

HI

I think it is other way around; the cheaper phone  or tablet the more
plain Android.


But i have some spare S60 phones  so i can wait until either IOS or
Android become accessible enough.



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 Joanne Chua kirjoitti
Subject: Re: IOS 8 Released
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 17:44:32 +0930
From: Joanne Chua <shuang.an...@gmail.com>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Well, with a $100 androy phone you will find that it is more than
likely is not Talkback comparable, because of whatever overlay that
they have on top of Google Stock Androy, and more than likely will
stop at Androy 4.22, which is a crap Androy OS when come to
accessibility. Yes, you can get it work, but is that really worth it,
that is another issue.
Of course, one could argue that it only cost $100, as  compare to
$1000 for an upgrade. If you have that mind set, go ahead, nothing
stopping you on switching over to Androy.
Just bare in mind, whatever phone you choose to get for Androy
platform, make sure you get Androy 4.3 and above. The best entry and
low end level phone for Google Stock Androy is Moto G or Moto E, which
is between $200 and $350 (depending on specific model.

In another word, Androy is good to see, good to touch, is great as a
secondary phone even. But, not all Androy phones are accessible for
the blind. That is the bottom line of the Androy OS.

On 22/09/2014, Ari Moisio <ar...@iki.fi> wrote:
Hi

On the other had one can get Android phones  approx $100  so the backward
compatibility is not so important.  Also phones with fixed battery have
much shorter lifespan because replacing the battery will be expensive.



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  David Chittenden kirjoitti
Subject: Re: IOS 8 Released
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2014 10:47:57 +1200
From: David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com>
To: "viphone@googlegroups.com" <viphone@googlegroups.com>

Works with iOS 8 with limitations. Apple does their best to support
older
hardware, and does a better job than Google and Microsoft. Good luck
getting the latest version "of Android working on a four year old
Android
phone. I also used to have similar problems getting new versions of
Windows working on four year old computers.

The fact is, technology is always changing. Moore's Law states that
device
power will double every 18 months. So, a four year old device, such as
an
iPhone 4S, is the great grandfather to the iphone 6 (three generations
ago).

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

On 21 Sep 2014, at 10:25, Pablo Morales <pablomorale...@gmail.com>
wrote:

But the official statement from apple, who is who sold those iPhone 4s,
and
who created IOs8, is that IOs 8, works on iPhone 4s.
So, we should not trust in apple?


-----Original Message-----
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf
Of Joanne Chua
Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 1:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS 8 Released

Well, first at all, i'm not sure why people will upgrade t heir 4s to
ios8.
There are some key eatures on ios8 that won't be supported by iphone 5c
and
below, and some are quite exclusive to 6 and 6+.
And again, all these support or not supported, for which phones and
which
ios, it is not something new. It is the same old same old arguement
from
pretty much the first gen of iphone to now.
People constently have problems reported from an old phone upgraded to
the
new ios.
It is expected.
Apple does say that ios8 can be install on 4s. But if there is no
slaggishness, then, people won't keep upgrading their phone as the new
ios
come out, will they.
Apple do that for a reason, they don't just release a new ios out from
no
where, just because they can.

If you want to upgrade, that is your choice. But be prepare for te
slaggishness. And, if you do upgrade for a 4s to ios8, and knowing very
well
that there are problems, stop complaining about it either...

On 20/09/2014, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm not exactly sure what you're saying. I've seen posts to this list
where people have said their 4S's are running sluggishly with IOS 8
and others who claim it's just fine. The bottom line though is that
the 4S is supported by IOS 8, so it should run just fine, and if it
doesn't then Apple needs to fix it.

On 09/19/2014 09:56 PM, Charles     wrote:
There have been a lot of reports that it might not work on the 4S.

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   ----- Original Message -----
   *From:* Nishi <mailto:chandanmoka...@gmail.com>
   *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
   *Sent:* Thursday, September 18, 2014 8:45 AM
   *Subject:* Re: IOS 8 Released

   Hi,
   I have a 32gb Iphone 4s and i have updated to Ios 8.
   ..

   I must say that i am not happy at all after the update! The phone
is
   very slow and apps tend to crash a lot!
   Voice over re starts on its own all the time. Am also having a
   problem marking mails and moving them to the trash!
   Over all, i am not happy with the update. I wish u all the best.
   Regards,
   Nishi.nt from my iPhone

   On 18-Sep-2014, at 7:02 pm, Anita <silky...@gmail.com
   <mailto:silky...@gmail.com>> wrote:

   Hi list,
       How well does IOS 8 work on the iPhone 4S 32 gig? Does it
   provide more stability, or work better on newer models?
       Thanks,
       Anita

       ----- Original Message -----
       *From:* Jonathan Mosen <mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>
       *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
       *Sent:* Wednesday, September 17, 2014 1:23 PM
       *Subject:* Re: IOS 8 Released

       You can, there is also a very thorough bug summary on
Applevis.
       The one bug I would add that is not presently in that
article,
       is that sometimes answering a call with a two-finger
       double-tap after you've been listening to audio will cause
       audio to resume rather than answer the call. This can get
       pretty messy.
       Jonathan Mosen
       Mosen Consulting
       Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
       http://Mosen.org

       On 18/09/2014, at 4:58 am, John Diakogeorgiou
       <jdiakoge2...@gmail.com <mailto:jdiakoge2...@gmail.com>>
wrote:

       Since IOS is released can we get info from beta testers?

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