Re: IOS 8 Released

Sun, 21 Sep 2014 03:15:17 -0700

I agree there's too much bashing of other platforms going on. IMHO, we should all feel happy there's choice, and when someone else chooses a phone that we haven't chosen ourselves, we should be glad there's choice and not get defensive that the solution we went with wasn't selected. We may be elated with our choice for now, but things may change over time, and we may find ourselves happy we have options ourselves. I know I was a happy Nokia phone owner, but I was sure glad there were options when that Symbian based platform went by the boards.
I've seen multiple references now to the fragmentation going on in Apple's world, and to be honest, this just isn't the case. Fragmentation is not a single vendor supporting a few different screen sizes or models with different hardware from year to year. Fragmentation is multiple handsets from multiple vendors each with their own source code branch to support it. 


Everyone who has a supported Apple device got IOS 8 at exactly the same 
time. Absolutely no one had to wait. This is not true in the Android 
world where new versions of Android need to be ported to different 
manufacturers hand sets once it's released. I'm not bashing Android, I'm 
an Android user myself. This model provides some great advantages, such 
as multiple form factors and a much greater degree of out of the box 
customization. Fragmentation is the price that's paid for these options 
though. Neither model is good or bad, they're just different, but try 
telling that to a fan boy from either camp.



I would agree Apple does a better job of supporting older hardware, but 
remember, we're comparing apples and oranges here. The fragmentation in 
the Android space does confuse this issue. I have a Nexis 7 that was 
released in 2012 and it'll be getting Android L when it's released later 
this year, so Google Play editions of Android phones are supported for 
quite a while. Android also runs on much lower end phone models. I don't 
think you'd expect a phone going for $100 or $200 to have the same 
longevity of support that you'd get for a $600 phone.



If you support all mobile platforms then I wouldn't accuse the Apple 
environment of becoming more fragmented. This is just an Android fan 
boyism being tossed out against Apple, and it just isn't true. And BTW, 
I don't consider myself an Apple fan boy, but you don't need to be to 
know that the Apple world is not fragmented the same way the Android 
world is.


On 9/20/2014 10:09 PM, Robin wrote:

That was then, and this is now.


Microsoft's WP8.1 works on MobilePhones such as WP8 MobilePhones, 
which were released 2 Years ago, and are still scheduled to receive 
more updates such as WP8.1 UpDate 1 and so forth. So I suggest you 
Stop Trashing other Mobile PlatForms in an effort to stray the 
conversation away from its primary purpose, which is Apple's iOS8 
doesn't appear to support the MobileDevices it stated it would give or 
take a couple of features such as Apple's iOS8 ApplePay.



Fragmentation IS rearing its head IN Apple's Garden. It's NOT 
exclusive to Google's Android anymore. Is it? If I'm wrong, someone 
(Apple FanBoys), please correct me. I'm NOT against Apple or any other 
Mobile Platform. I'm for accessibility IN all Mobile Platforms 
(Apple's iOS, Microsoft's Windows (WP), & Google's Android)


At 03:47 PM 9/20/2014, you wrote:

Works with iOS 8 with limitations. Apple does their best to support 
older hardware, and does a better job than Google and Microsoft. Good 
luck getting the latest version "of Android working on a four year 
old Android phone. I also used to have similar problems getting new 
versions of Windows working on four year old computers.



The fact is, technology is always changing. Moore's Law states that 
device power will double every 18 months. So, a four year old device, 
such as an iPhone 4S, is the great grandfather to the iphone 6 (three 
generations ago).


David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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> On 21 Sep 2014, at 10:25, Pablo Morales <pablomorale...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

>

> But the official statement from apple, who is who sold those iPhone 
4s, and

> who created IOs8, is that IOs 8, works on iPhone 4s.
> So, we should not trust in apple?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----

> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf

> Of Joanne Chua
> Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 1:39 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: IOS 8 Released
>

> Well, first at all, i'm not sure why people will upgrade t heir 4s 
to ios8.
> There are some key eatures on ios8 that won't be supported by 
iphone 5c and

> below, and some are quite exclusive to 6 and 6+.

> And again, all these support or not supported, for which phones and 
which
> ios, it is not something new. It is the same old same old arguement 
from

> pretty much the first gen of iphone to now.

> People constently have problems reported from an old phone upgraded 
to the

> new ios.
> It is expected.
> Apple does say that ios8 can be install on 4s. But if there is no

> slaggishness, then, people won't keep upgrading their phone as the 
new ios

> come out, will they.

> Apple do that for a reason, they don't just release a new ios out 
from no

> where, just because they can.
>
> If you want to upgrade, that is your choice. But be prepare for te

> slaggishness. And, if you do upgrade for a 4s to ios8, and knowing 
very well

> that there are problems, stop complaining about it either...
>
>> On 20/09/2014, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I'm not exactly sure what you're saying. I've seen posts to this list
>> where people have said their 4S's are running sluggishly with IOS 8
>> and others who claim it's just fine. The bottom line though is that
>> the 4S is supported by IOS 8, so it should run just fine, and if it
>> doesn't then Apple needs to fix it.
>>
>>> On 09/19/2014 09:56 PM, Charles     wrote:
>>> There have been a lot of reports that it might not work on the 4S.
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Be positive!  When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're
>>> finished, you! really! are! finished!
>>>
>>>    ----- Original Message -----
>>>    *From:* Nishi <mailto:chandanmoka...@gmail.com>
>>>    *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>>>    *Sent:* Thursday, September 18, 2014 8:45 AM
>>>    *Subject:* Re: IOS 8 Released
>>>
>>>    Hi,
>>>    I have a 32gb Iphone 4s and i have updated to Ios 8.
>>>    ..
>>>

>>>    I must say that i am not happy at all after the update! The 
phone is

>>>    very slow and apps tend to crash a lot!
>>>    Voice over re starts on its own all the time. Am also having a
>>>    problem marking mails and moving them to the trash!
>>>    Over all, i am not happy with the update. I wish u all the best.
>>>    Regards,
>>>    Nishi.nt from my iPhone
>>>
>>>    On 18-Sep-2014, at 7:02 pm, Anita <silky...@gmail.com
>>>    <mailto:silky...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>    Hi list,
>>>>        How well does IOS 8 work on the iPhone 4S 32 gig? Does it
>>>>    provide more stability, or work better on newer models?
>>>>        Thanks,
>>>>        Anita
>>>>
>>>>        ----- Original Message -----
>>>>        *From:* Jonathan Mosen <mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>

>>>>        *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>

>>>>        *Sent:* Wednesday, September 17, 2014 1:23 PM
>>>>        *Subject:* Re: IOS 8 Released
>>>>

>>>>        You can, there is also a very thorough bug summary on 
Applevis.
>>>>        The one bug I would add that is not presently in that 
article,

>>>>        is that sometimes answering a call with a two-finger
>>>>        double-tap after you've been listening to audio will cause
>>>>        audio to resume rather than answer the call. This can get
>>>>        pretty messy.
>>>>        Jonathan Mosen
>>>>        Mosen Consulting
>>>>        Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>>>>        http://Mosen.org
>>>>
>>>>>        On 18/09/2014, at 4:58 am, John Diakogeorgiou

>>>>>        <jdiakoge2...@gmail.com <mailto:jdiakoge2...@gmail.com>> 
wrote:

>>>>>
>>>>>        Since IOS is released can we get info from beta testers?
>>>>>
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