Cheryl. This makes a lot of sense. I wondered if you could get to something that was like the Perkins braille writer. That is what I am used to. I'm not sure who came up with the flat V termonology, but it totally confused me. And I don't think I would like away mode. Oh, I could get use to it, but it would appear that there is an easier way.
This may make the bug of not being able to use a blue tooth keyboard a little less frustating, because now, there is a choice that appears to work. Thanks for taking the time to write this all out. Neal From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Homiak Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 11:09 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Braille Inpput: What Helped me Figure it out Okay, I've experimented with this in the light of people saying the dots stay backward in tabletop mode and here's what I found. But it's very confusing to try to write correctly so it has taken me a long time to put this down to try to communicate. I don't know if this is how it is "supposed" to work but this is what works for me for tabletop mode. If I have the phone on my lap flat with the home button on my right and tturn the phone away from me so the home button and screen face out and then turn it back toward me, , my dots are backward. In other words, goign from left to right along the long edge of the phone that is closest to me, I will have 6 5 4 1 2 3, with 3 nearest the home button. If I put three fingers of my left hand down from left to right toward the left end of the long side but going from left to right on the long side, I will get an underscore. If I put three fingers of my right hand going along the long side further right, I will get an l. If instead, I hold the phone in my lap, again with the home button to my right and turn the phone so the home button is facing me, still on the right, then turn it back to tabletop, the dots from left to right are 3 2 1 4 5 6 with 6 nearest the home button. Then putting three fingers of my left hand down from left to right on the long side that is toward me gives me an l where putting three fingers down on that long side but further right gives me an underscore. Brailling then feels so much like brailling on a braille writer that I forget and want to do a space in the middle of the long side by touching there where a space key would be on a braille writer. This of course is wrong and instead usually puts an a where I wanted a space. Here's the same equation with the home button on the left: If I hold the phone flat on my lap with the home button to the left, turn it away so the home button is away from me but still on the left, and then turn it back flat in tabletop mode, again, i have from left to right: 6 5 4 1 2 3 with 3 the furthest away from the home button. If, however, I hold it on my lap with the home button to the left and turn the phone toward me so the home button and screen are facing me, then turn the phone back flat, the dots are then as they should be from left to right: 3 2 1 4 5 6, which is the way they are on a braille writer except that the braille writer would have the space key between the 1 and the 4. I have done this several times and it appears to be consistent. So in other words, what works for me if I want to do tabletop is to hold the phone flat on my lap turn it toward me instead of away from me till it says away mode and then put it flat into tabletop mode again. The dots are then on the long side closest to me and not on the two ends of the phone. If I am understanding rightly though I haven't tried to do away mode much, in away mode your dots are at the opposit ends of the phone so that 1 2 and 3 would be on the left short side and 4 5 6 are on the right short side which of course does not feel like brailling with a Perkins braille writer at least not for me. Hth. -- Cheryl I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf. I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper thrown in the trash! Then God gave me a new heart and life: His joy for my despairing tears! And now, every day: "This I call to mind, and therefore I have hope: The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases; his mercies never come to an end; they are new every morning; great is your faithfulness." (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV) On Sep 25, 2014, at 9:01 PM, Sandy Finley <finleykn...@gmail.com> wrote: Nicki and others, I don't know if this will help you but here is a set of steps I have learned from others that helped me with the braille input. 1. When you land in an edit field turn your rotor once to the right. The Braille keyboard is usually there because the Braille setting on your rotor follows the edit field around. 2. I find it useful to use away mode. For some reason, when in table mode, dots 1, 2, 3 appear on the right so everything is backwards. 3. Once in a way mode, Do not calibrate just write. Unfortunately, when trying to use contracted Braille the app does not echo characters. I like to have characters echoed at this point so I write in unconstructed Braille. 4. 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