Absolutely right. First, you have to be able to do the job, whatever it is, regardless of your handicap. The handicap should be a secondary consideration, if it is a consideration at all. A prime example of this is this: I have been in foreign food restaurants, and not been able to communicate with the servers because they don't speak English well enough to communicate with the general public. If I had been in charge of the hiring process, a major consideration would have been the ability to communicate with Americans, in English. If they couldn't, they wouldn't get the job that requires that skill. This is not due to prejudice on my part, but a fact of reality.

If I am blind, but know nothing at all about the technology field, I should not be hired to work in that field until I have some background, in the form of training, at least, in the field.

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Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 4:55 PM
Subject: RE: One way Apple could better test its products


Hi Conni,

I am sure people with disabilities do work at Apple. However, just having a
disability does not qualify anybody for a job, if they wanted to hire people
to work in iOS development who are blind then that blind person would have
to meet whatever qualifications any other employee has who works in the same
department.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of connie mohney
Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 2:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: One way Apple could better test its products

It is to bad apple could not hire people with different disabilities.  The
people could either work at apple itself or work from home.  The employees
from disability support could be asked to get people's contact info so those
people could be IOS testers.
Connie

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 24, 2014, at 11:22 PM, "Charles Rivard" <wee1s...@fidnet.com>
wrote:

One day??  That would be nowhere near long enough.  How well were you able
to use the iPhone after 1 day?

I think that a good source of information on testing would be the people
who take calls on the phone number that especially for those who are
handicapped.  I'm thinking that they would have a better feel for our
difficulties in using the devices than any of the other tech reps.

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Neal Ewers"
<neal.ew...@ravenswood.org>
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:56 PM
Subject: One way Apple could better test its products


Perhaps Apple employees should have to spend a day with blindfolds on
using VoiceOver. I don't mean that sarcastically, but I do remember when
Microsoft touted Internet Explorer as being able to be operated totally with
keyboard shortcuts without touching the mouse. I know, it's not the same
thing, but I think people who want to develop products for people with
differing abilities should, perhaps, have to walk a while in their shoes.
Obviously, there are other disabilities as well, so it would mean a lot of
pairs of shoes, but I bet it would work better for everyone as a result.

Neal

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