I believe Charles is suggesting that it just might be remarkable if Microsoft engendered a policy of protecting the customer investment and not introduce operating systems that require new PC platforms to run on efficiently. I certainly see his point.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Chaltain" <chalt...@gmail.com>
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2014 9:56 PM
Subject: Re: To upgrade or not to upgrade, was: Hmmm, iPad mini 3?


I don't understand your point about Microsoft's support of operating
systems? How do you want Microsoft to think about operating system
support? I must be missing it, but unless you want Microsoft to do more
to encourage people to think they need to upgrade every year or two, I'm
not sure how your statement relates to the rest of the thread.

On 10/17/2014 12:02 PM, Charles Rivard wrote:
I sure wish Microsoft thought this way when it comes to operating system
support.

I did upgrade from an iPhone 4 to an iPhone 5 in order to get Siri, and
am still using the same phone.  I'm thinking that, when I get the money,
I may upgrade to a 6 plus for better battery life, but that's not going
to happen for a while.  I also plan to get the KNFB reader because of
how well it does what it does, but that, too, is down the road.  The
only complaint I have about my current phone is that it is a 16 gig
model.  I sure wish we could use thumb drives.  Well, maybe I should
rephrase that, because we can get external storage devices for iPhones,
but the price is far too high for my liking.

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Sieghard Weitzel" <siegh...@live.ca>
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Sent: Friday, October 17, 2014 11:54 AM
Subject: To upgrade or not to upgrade, was: Hmmm, iPad mini 3?


Mary,

I find it interesting how some people still have PC's running Windows XP
and Jaws 10 which means said PC is probably 5+ years old, but in some
cases the same people feel they have to upgrade a 2-year old iPhone or
iPad or in some cases even a 1-year old device. We are definitely taught
that consuming and spending is the way to go and for the last 10 or 15
years kids grow up like that. Many things are made as throw-away items
(printers are a good example) and companies understand very well how to
get people to fix things which aren't really broken. I bought my Mom's
iPad 2 for her and if I suggested now that maybe she should upgrade to
the latest iPad Air 2 because it was faster, thinner, lighter and had
touch Id she would just ask me why she would want to do that since her
iPad works perfectly well for what she does. She is of course correct.


Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2014 9:42 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Hmmm, iPad mini 3?

Truth to tell, I still have an old iPad one, which I bought right when
iPad 2 came out. It has not been upgradable since iOS 5. But a lot of
things still work on it. To be sure, it is rather sluggish by today's
standards. But it's great for reading books. All my book apps still run
just fine. Even audible, which can't be updated, so I don't have the
delete problem on that machine. Smile.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 17, 2014, at 9:17 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:

Yes, it probably will make some difference, but then again as Apple
refines iOS 8 it may run more efficiently on the slightly older
devices and it's not like your iPad is that old. And if you do buy an
iPad Mini 3 and maybe you wait a couple more months then 9 or 10
months later iOS 9 comes out and the next generation ipad Mini will be
announced which most definitely then will get the A8 or even the
nnewest A9 chip and you are once again in the same boat where maybe
iOS 9 will run better on the newest devices and so on. My Mom is
running iOS 8 on an iPad 2, that is the original large iPad second
generation which I believe has an A5 processor and while she is not
using voiceover, iOS itself works just fine. Your ipad |Mini as far as
I remember would have an A6 or A6x processor and iOS 8 should run fine
on that. Apple may want you to buy a new device every year or every 2
years, but market studies show that especially with the ipad a lot of
people are using them for much longer.


Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Russ Kiehne
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2014 9:01 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Hmmm, iPad mini 3?

The thing is, I haven't installed ios 8 on my first generation ipad mini.
I'm wondering if it will make it run slower than it currently is with
ios 7?
I want to wait for the bugs to be worked out of ios 8.  When that
happens,
then I can see how much slower it is.  I would assume that the ipad
mini 2
will make a difference running ios 8.

-----Original Message----- From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2014 8:42 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Hmmm, iPad mini 3?

Hi Russ,

If I were you I'd wait a year unless there is something wrong with your
current iPad Mini. Yes, the iPad Mini Retina gives you a retina screen
(probably not important for you) and it will give you the A7 processor
which
will give you a bit better speed. However, unless you really feel you
need
Alex which in my opinion sounds less clear than the default high quality
female voice, why not get a third year out of your device and then
upgrade
next year when there will be some real changes. Just my thought on this.


Regards,

-----Original Message-----
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf
Of Russ Kiehne
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2014 7:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Hmmm, iPad mini 3?

I'll probably get the ipad mini 2 instead of the ipad mini 3.  As of
now, I
have the first generation ipad mini.  In my case, updating to the ipad
mini
2 will be an upgrade of hardware.

-----Original Message----- From: Mary Otten
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 5:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Hmmm, iPad mini 3?

Somebody else just posted stating that the processor in the mini has not
been updated. If that is true, my original statement stands. Why the
hell by
the new one? Take advantage of the price drop and get the old one.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 16, 2014, at 5:27 PM, Traci <our4p...@gmail.com> wrote:

Not in the Mini, it is still the a7 chip.



On Oct 16, 2014, at 4:37 PM, Joseph <ablindvou...@icloud.com> wrote:

Hello,
Yes. It’s the A8X chip.

On Oct 16, 2014, at 4:35 PM, Richard Turner <rich...@turner42.com>
wrote:

Did I miss something?  Didn't they put in the new chip that is in the
iPhone 6?
They have also dropped the price points so for $499 you can get the 16
GB WiFi, $599 you can get the 64 GB 'wiFi model and for $699, the 128
GB.
.

Richard

-----Original Message-----
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 2:40 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Hmmm, iPad mini 3?

The new Mini will be available in gold and have the touch ID sensor.
Other then that, it's the same device.
You're better off grabbing last year's model if those two features
aren't important to you.
I guess the other thing that is a plus is that pricing seems to be
headed down. With the lack of a 32GB model, the 64 and 128 GB devices
are $100.00 cheaper pushing the older versions down too. By
offering the
16 GB iPads at the same introductory price, it's like Apple wants
you to
just buy the larger storage options instead.
I guess if you're into the enhanced photo and video aspects with
the new
Air 2, the new versions may be interesting, but  all in all,
underwhelming.
-----Original Message-----
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Traci Duncan
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 2:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Hmmm, iPad mini 3?

Hi all,

I just ran over to the Apple store website to compare the Mini 2 & 3.
If I am reading things correctly, the only change is the addition of
fingerprint security?

For a minut, I thought the Mini 3 had upgraded wi-fi signals, but I’m
not sure.  They both say Wi‑Fi (802.11a/​b/​g/​n); dual channel
(2.4GHz
and 5GHz) and MIMO.  iPad2 says, Wi‑Fi (802.11a/​b/​g/​n); dual
channel
(2.4GHz and 5GHz) and MIMO.

Lol, that’s the same, correct?  The iPad3 spacificly mentions 2 wi-fi
antennas, where I cannot find those words for the 2nd Gen retina
model.

Anyway, what do you guys know about the differences in the 2 models?

Thanks,
Traci

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