Another option for menus if you know ahead of time where you are going is checking to see if the menu is online before you go to the restaurant. You can spend some unpressured time reading through it and at least narrow down your choices before you get there.
Obviously, not all online menus are accessible or even there, but that is becoming more and more common. Some of my favorite restaurants even post their specials for dinner by about 2PM, so I can even check to see what those are and don't have to ask when I get there. Richard -----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: Saturday, December 6, 2014 9:17 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: reading menus with the KNFB reader - Re: how are people liking KNFB reader? I think we're falling into that area where people are assuming what works for them works for everyone else or that all situations are the same. I'll probably fall into the same trap myself, but if I'm at a restaurant with my family, and my wife is there, then I'll go through the menu with her. If it's just my boys then I'd scan the menu myself. My boys are good boys, and they wouldn't mind reading the menu to their old man, but I can tell when they do they'd rather be talking about sports or video games while I'm looking over the menu myself. I also go to plenty of restaurants with friends, who although their spoken English is good, they have trouble reading the menu in say an Italian restaurant. Sure there are times when I'd have someone read or discuss the menu with me but there are other times when I could use the KNFB Reader to be more independent, and I wouldn't be doing it just to show off. Similarly for an elevator. If someone asks what floor do you want to go to, I'll just tell them. I won't use the braille buttons just because they're there. If no one speaks up though, or I'm on the elevator myself, then I'm sure glad they're there. On 12/06/2014 09:44 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: > Hi Eden, > > Would you actually go to a restaurant with your family and try to use > KNFB Reader to read the menu while they probably already selected what > they want and then wait to see if you get a good result? > > I value independence as much as the next person, but if I walk into an > elevator with a friend, family member or even a bunch of strangers, I > don’t have to push the correct button just because it has braille if > others who are pushing their own floor are already asking me and I can > just tell them which floor I want. The same for me applies to a > restaurant menu. I guess if I were by myself it would be one thing to > use KNFB for this instead of asking the waiter or waitress to read it, > but usually choosing a meal when I go out with friends or family becomes > a conversation anyways and I don’t feel that anybody thinks I am not > independent just because they are reading this information for me. > > Regards, > > Sieghard > > *From:*viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *Eden Kizer > *Sent:* Saturday, December 06, 2014 1:05 AM > *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* Re: reading menus with the KNFB reader - Re: how are people > liking KNFB reader? > > We have fought for the freedom to be able to read our own menus, and I > can easily skim my fingers down my braile display advancing very quickly > to where I want whereas sighted people often tell me the things they > think look good, and allaccess is great, but sometimes, the restaurants > don't have the correct menu listed. > > I don't have KNFB reader yet, but I sure can't wait to show off my > independence, and my family will be proud when I can read my own menu > with them. > > eden > > On 12/5/2014 11:46 PM, Charles Rivard wrote: > > In my opinion, using the KNFB reader for one of it's intended > purposes is not showing off, any more than using your iPhone to make > a phone call. You are not proclaiming to the entire restaurant, or > to those at your table, that you can do this, and isn't it mind > blowing? Hey, look what I can do, folks? Isn't that cool?? You > are, in actuality, being more independent. > > > --- > Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're > finished, you! really! are! finished! > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* Andy Baracco <mailto:w...@socal.rr.com> > > *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > > *Sent:* Friday, December 05, 2014 7:08 PM > > *Subject:* Re: how are people liking KNFB reader? > > When I dine, I am usually with others, and I don’t like the idea > of holding everyone else up just to show off. I would prefer a > Braille menu, or better yet, an online menu that I can take my > time perusing before i go to the restaurant. I also like iPhone > apps like All Access Menus. > > Andy > > *From:* SSEric <mailto:sseri...@gmail.com> > > *Sent:* Friday, December 05, 2014 2:55 PM > > *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > > *Subject:* RE: how are people liking KNFB reader? > > Besides those who don’t mind making a spectacle of themselves or > mind putting of meals for themselves and their company, is it > really practical to use the KNFB Reader for restaurant menus? I > am wondering about the speed and accuracy of scanning menus, > which can vary widely in format and quality. > > Thanks! > > Eric > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com > <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Alan Lemly > *Sent:* Friday, December 05, 2014 3:10 PM > *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > *Subject:* Re: how are people liking KNFB reader? > > I love the KNFB reader. I use it primarily for reading short > paper documents like business letters, etc.. I use it on an > iPhone 5 running iOS 7.1.2 and am amazed at how quick and > accurate it is. > > Alan Lemly > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Dec 5, 2014, at 1:06 PM, "Paul Ferrara" <paul.ferr...@twc.com > <mailto:paul.ferr...@twc.com>> wrote: > > All, I have reward points and could redeem them for iTunes > gift cards, and if I did, I would get KNFB Reader—but I’d > like to know if folks find themselves using it a lot, in > what situations, and what things have worked well and what > things have not? > > Thank you. > > Paul > > -- > The following information is important for all members of > the viphone list. All new members to the this list are > moderated by default. 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