I not talking about the "official" VNC compilation ,
but about compiling vnc-like-versions (= rfb based) .
lets say I compile a pre-configured vnc with taskbar icon hidden and no
authhost at port 6000.
I add it to some kind of app setup (or a simple vb/javascript!) and spread
it around. from now on all these machines are seen without notice !
what's the difference from BackOrifice ? - which  is rightfully recognized
as a virus ..

still I think something should be done about this .
at least a condition in the license like ...
" these codes should be used only with explicitly notifying the hosts about
every monitoring session, or else host explicit written concession to give
up this right ."

although I look for your opinion Jonathan , it would be nice to have James
"Wez" also.

Ran .


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jonathan Morton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 6:27 PM
Subject: Re: VNC Invisible


> >or else some rfb applications will be defined as viruses.
>
> A virus is a program designed to spread from one computer to another.
> AFAIK no RFB or VNC implementation is designed to do this.  A worm is a
> special kind of virus which spreads via networks (usually by exploiting a
> security flaw).
>
> A "trojan horse" OTOH is a program which pretends to be a legitimate
> program but does something unexpected behind the scenes.  I don't think
VNC
> falls into this category, even without the icon.
>
> VNC could, however, be classified as "spyware" if used without the icon
AND
> there is no acceptable-use policy which explicitly states that "monitoring
> software may be used at any time without warning".
>
> If you want to be Big Brother, you must tell your users that or face the
> consequences.  The icon is a simple and inexpensive way of doing that, and
> if you take proper precautions, VNC can be prevented from shutting down on
> user request.  You could also simply build a "don't shut down VNC" clause
> into the AUP - users who have shut down VNC get a personal encounter with
> some "sucker rod" [1].
>
> [1] - See the syslogd(8) man page on most Linux systems.
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> from:     Jonathan "Chromatix" Morton
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>
> The key to knowledge is not to rely on people to teach you it.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ran Sasson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 7:02 PM
Subject: Re: VNC Invisible


> that's why I agree with the concept of MUST having a taskbar icon .
> the "big brother" in full action.
> I think it's a condition that should be added to the license or something,
> or else some rfb applications will be defined as viruses.
>
> Ran .
>
>  ---- Original Message -----
> From: "Emerson Renato Cavallari" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 9:44 PM
> Subject: Re: VNC Invisible
>
>
> > Well.. let4s explain:
> > I am the network administrator of a central library of USP (University
of
> SAO
> > PAULO - Brazil). Here we have some public machines where everybody has
> full
> > access to internet. We don4t want to filter using a proxy.
> > Here we have about 5000 users in total. Some "bad users" uses the
computer
> to
> > see porn sites and chat. And we use VNC to, sometimes, see what they are
> doing
> > in the computers.
> > If the user is reading a mail or doing a search, no problems. We
> disconnect
> > the VNC and let the user work. But if the user is in a porn or chat
site,
> we
> > go to the physical place where he is and talk about it.
> > But when they see the vnc icon, they right click the mouse and close VNC
> and I
> > don4t want it.
> > Could you help?
> > Thank you.
> >
> > Sem mais,
> >
> > Imerson Renato Cavallari
> > Visite o Portal de Informatica - www.portaldeinformatica.com.br
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Norberto Alfredo Bensa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 4:09 PM
> > Subject: Re: VNC Invisible
> >
> >
> > > > Hello:
> > > >
> > > > Is there any way to run VNC invisible. I don4t want that the user
see
> the
> > > icon
> > > > beside the windows clock.
> > >
> > > Why not?
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