That’s nice. However, a simple headset with a boom mounted microphone is a vast 
improvement over a typical situation.

Even a cheap one from Koss. 
https://www.zipdx.info/product-review-koss-cs300-usb-headset/

We have a special service for use by conference interpreters like those who 
work for the UN. We have to occasionally review headsets to verify reliable, 
full-duplex performance.

There are some USB audio interface chips that degrade microphone performance 
while in the presence of incoming sound. It’s a faulty echo cancellation scheme 
implemented in silicon.

Michael Graves
mgra...@mstvp.com<mailto:mgra...@mstvp.com>
o: (713) 861-4005
c: (713) 201-1262
sip:mgra...@mjg.onsip.com

From: Mike Hammett <voice...@ics-il.net>
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2021 5:05 PM
To: mgraves mstvp.com <mgra...@mstvp.com>
Cc: voiceops@voiceops.org; Tim Bray <t...@kooky.org>
Subject: Re: Call Quality

*nods* When in the home office, I use my podcasting setup (headphones, 
dedicated mic, ran through some software to clean up a bit more.)


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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
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Midwest Internet Exchange
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________________________________
From: "mgraves mstvp.com" <mgra...@mstvp.com<mailto:mgra...@mstvp.com>>
To: "Mike Hammett" <voice...@ics-il.net<mailto:voice...@ics-il.net>>, "Tim 
Bray" <t...@kooky.org<mailto:t...@kooky.org>>
Cc: voiceops@voiceops.org<mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org>
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2021 4:53:27 PM
Subject: RE: Call Quality
Working for a conferencing company, we hear all about this.

You’d think that acoustic echo cancellation was settled science, and you’d be 
wrong. There are so many bad quality speakerphones and conference phones.

Further, so many software engineers (yes, you Google!) think they have some 
special insight. Their stuff is just as bad as others. Worse because it can be 
variable.

Bottom line is, if you must hear and be heard well…when it really matters….use 
a headset.

Michael Graves
mgra...@mstvp.com<mailto:mgra...@mstvp.com>
o: (713) 861-4005
c: (713) 201-1262
sip:mgra...@mjg.onsip.com

From: VoiceOps 
<voiceops-boun...@voiceops.org<mailto:voiceops-boun...@voiceops.org>> On Behalf 
Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2021 4:46 PM
To: Tim Bray <t...@kooky.org<mailto:t...@kooky.org>>
Cc: voiceops@voiceops.org<mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org>
Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Call Quality

God, I hope customers don't hold their carriers responsible for inappropriate 
use of speakerphones.


Yes, I'm sure the complaints received for the above are non-null. That's how 
much faith I have in customers.


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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



Midwest Internet Exchange
http://www.midwest-ix.com


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From: "Tim Bray via VoiceOps" 
<voiceops@voiceops.org<mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org>>
To: voiceops@voiceops.org<mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org>
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2021 4:36:55 PM
Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Call Quality

On 14/06/2021 22:25, Mike Hammett wrote:
> One of the concerns I heard was echo. On a purely digital call, what
> would be the cause of echo?

Echo, as in hearing yourself coming back with a delay?

Sound flying from the speaker to the microphone at the far end. Dodgy
speaker phone, poor plastic design of the phone, DSP not doing echo
cancellation.   Or too much end to end latency - if it is quick enough,
you don't notice.  Could be loads of things.




Quite often with third party USB  or bluetooth `speaker phones`



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Huddersfield, GB
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