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A packet loss is nothing more than the extreme of latency.
Buffers start filling up. It takes time for them to empty...hence
delay. When buffers overflow, then there is packet loss. There's nothing
on the Internet except fiber, memory, and processors.
However, you are correct in that much of the packet loss occurs
upstream..often at the NAS. A buggy NAS gets rebooted or
crashes. Those STOP packets are lost.
But
what does that prove. There was no lost data here. 187ms would not
stop a radius packet from getting through. So what is you point other
than the fact that there is latency. Latency does not cause last data
unless it is extreme.
Erik Tijburg
RedMoon BroadBand
ISP Support Services
6810 Main
Street
Frisco, TX
75034
Office (972) 731-0696
Cell (469)
450-5078
That's not my server...but notice the 40ms on UUNET vs. your 180 ms
via pnap and august.net. That was my point. Do the tests.
The Internet doesn't lie.
Are we learning anything here?
I hope this is not a pissing contest.. *smile*
Here is my trace from the same server back to your
router:
Tracing route to router.mcdean.com [63.89.89.65]
over a maximum
of 30 hops:
1 <10 ms <10 ms
<10 ms todd-cologateway.august.net [216.87.159.193]
2 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms
dal-gw1.august.net [216.87.128.126]
3 <10
ms <10 ms <10 ms lone-gw1.august.net
[216.87.144.114]
4 <10 ms <10
ms <10 ms
border3.fe5-10.augustnet-1.ext1.dal.pnap.net
[21
6.52.189.121]
5 <10 ms <10
ms 10 ms core2.ge1-0-0-bbnet2.ext1.dal.pnap.net
[216.52.1
91.97]
6 <10 ms 10
ms <10 ms 12.119.136.21
7
<10 ms <10 ms <10 ms
gar2-p343.dlstx.ip.att.net [12.123.196.102]
8 <10
ms 10 ms <10 ms
gbr5-p80.dlstx.ip.att.net [12.123.17.26]
9 10
ms <10 ms <10 ms
tbr1-p013802.dlstx.ip.att.net [12.122.12.73]
10
<10 ms 10 ms <10 ms
ggr1-p340.dlstx.ip.att.net [12.122.12.74]
11 <10
ms <10 ms 10 ms
204.255.168.53
12 <10 ms 10
ms <10 ms 0.so-1-3-0.XL1.DFW9.ALTER.NET
[152.63.99.210]
13 10 ms <10
ms <10 ms 0.so-0-0-0.TL1.DFW9.ALTER.NET
[152.63.0.193]
14 30 ms 40
ms 40 ms 0.so-6-0-0.TL1.DCA8.ALTER.NET
[152.63.3.198]
15 40 ms 40
ms 41 ms 0.so-5-0-0.XL1.DCA8.ALTER.NET
[152.63.25.38]
16 40 ms 40
ms 40 ms 289.at-5-1-0.XR1.TCO1.ALTER.NET
[152.63.39.242]
17 40 ms 30
ms 40 ms 193.ATM7-0.GW5.TCO1.ALTER.NET
[152.63.39.85]
18 50 ms 40
ms 40 ms router.mcdean.com
[63.89.89.65]
Trace complete.
Thanks,
Todd Routhier
LightWave
Technologies LLC.
888-230-5333 x89
;)
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Eric what does that trace route prove?
Erik Tijburg
RedMoon BroadBand
ISP Support
Services
6810 Main
Street
Frisco, TX
75034
Office (972)
731-0696
Cell (469)
450-5078
There you go...that should be wonderful QoS
8-)
traceroute to
yourownisp.com (216.87.159.200), 30 hops max, 38 byte
packets
1 router.mcdean.com (63.89.89.65) 0.923
ms 2.727 ms 0.937 ms
2
Loopback0.GW5.TCO1.ALTER.NET (137.39.4.78) 30.845 ms 7.116
ms 17.866 ms
3 119.at-1-0-0.XR2.TCO1.ALTER.NET
(152.63.39.98) 8.590 ms 46.768 ms 6.057
ms
4 292.at-0-2-0.XL2.DCA8.ALTER.NET
(152.63.40.5) 6.960 ms 11.362 ms 35.200
ms
5 0.so-3-0-0.TL2.DCA8.ALTER.NET
(152.63.144.29) 117.237 ms 51.284 ms 100.813
ms
6 0.so-4-0-0.TL2.DFW9.ALTER.NET (152.63.0.182)
72.838 ms 104.948 ms 166.664 ms
7
0.so-7-0-0.XL2.DFW13.ALTER.NET (152.63.103.222) 74.619 ms
41.065 ms 112.017 ms
8 POS7-0.GW2.DFW13.ALTER.NET
(152.63.103.229) 75.795 ms 88.309 ms 49.946
ms
9 internap2-gw.customer.alter.net
(65.208.15.146) 106.115 ms 49.621 ms 49.464
ms
10 border3.ge4-1-bbnet2.ext1.dal.pnap.net
(216.52.191.83) 114.571 ms 42.984 ms 47.137
ms
11 augustnet-1.border3.ext1.dal.pnap.net
(216.52.189.122) 49.749 ms 41.830 ms 43.221
ms
12 yipes-l3gateway.august.net (216.87.144.113)
42.030 ms 72.399 ms 45.727 ms
13
hamlet.august.net (216.87.128.107) 63.293 ms 78.705
ms 130.500 ms
14 muchoweb200.august.net
(216.87.159.200) 172.209 ms 156.048 ms 182.210
ms
OK, then make a move!
Thanks,
Todd
Routhier
LightWave Technologies
LLC.
888-230-5333 x89
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CISP sucks BIG TIME! They started
out fine and then started firing their staff wholesale and brought
in a bunch of useless people. The initial staff was made up
of good people eager and willing to help, they replaced them with
people who had none of that going for them.
MikeH
Mike Herrera
Access One Online Services
http://www.access-one.com
I have seen this problem with all the
wholesale networks that I have worked with. Radius
Accounting packets are not a priority to wholesalers. They
want you to have simultaneous logins and customers stuck in
radius so they can charge you more. I did some work for
CISP, who is a large wholesale aggrator for UUNet, Sprint, Qwest
and about a half a dozen others. They had to turn off
simultaneous login checking and some other features of Steele
belted radius because of these issues. We figured out that
we only got 1 out of 8 watchdog packets and 1 out of 15 Stop
packets.
Erik
Tijburg
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