On Sunday 25 July 2004 16:05, Grimer wrote: > ========================================== > "Full many a gem of purest ray serene > the dark unfathomed files of Beaty bear." > > (with apologies to Thomas Gray) > ========================================== > > I was browsing through Bill Beaty's site earlier and wondering how to use > the vapour pressure power curves for Carnot cycling the Beta-atmosphere > when I came across this absolute gem and nearly fell off my chair with > delight. > > > =========================================================================== >= WEIRD SCI. | GOOD STUFF | NEW STUFF | HELP! > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (MARSHALL DUDLEY) > Subject: Another theory for Griggs device > Date: Sat, 17 Dec 1994 12:14 -0500 (EST) > > In a previous post I hinted at another possibility of what may be > happening in the Griggs device when I mentioned "non-linearities in > the steam table" as one of several things that should be looked at. Since > I did not get any bites on that, let me outline a discussion I had with a > scientist from Oak Ridge National Labs about the Griggs device several > months ago. This discussion is off the record, and most likely will not be > collaborated, just as some of the results of their CF cell experiments are. > > I had an occasion to meet with this person and begun describing the > Griggs device to him. After telling him how it worked I ended it with, > "and it is reported to produce more steam or hot water than then the input > power should produce". His response was "that's not surprising". I was > almost floored. > > He then told me that is a fairly well known fact among some > researchers that the published steam tables are wrong. The original team > which made up the steam tables found that toward the extremes (high > pressure high temperature and low pressure and temperature) there are > unexplained non-linearities. Since these non-linearities could not be > explained, and were shown to not obey the conservation of energy, they > fudged the tables to get rid of the non-linearities. They had assumed that > there must be an error in their measurements or equipment since it did not > jive with theory. Since then others have found the same thing, but none of > them will stick their neck out to declare that steam tables which have been > in use for decades are wrong, especially since there seems to be no theory > to explain these non-linearities. Anyway, he said that if you go through a > cycle of vaporization at one pressure and condensation at a higher pressure > and temperature, when you get back to the original temperature and pressure > the "corrected" steam table does not close. That is to say according to > the measurements there is steam left over which should not be there, and by > conservation of energy cannot be there. Anyway, he said that it seems that > such a device such as Griggs would enhance this non-linearity effect and > therefore produce more energy than is supplied. He does not have the > foggiest idea where the excess energy could come from, but simply that > given what he knows about the non-linearities in the (corrected) steam > tables, that seems like a good place to start looking. I find the idea > intriguing, but as with so many other theories, it leaves one with as many > questions as it gives answers. > > Marshall > > > =========================================================================== >= > > If this is correct, and it certainly sounds it, then they have already > broken through the Over Unity barrier. They have just been too astonished > to face up to the fact. It's definitely the Black Queen of Hearts syndrome. > > Well, we have the power curves, we have the experimental evidence. > All we need now is the carts, horses and the starting gun. >
Zounds! Sounds like someone has read a Carnot cyclic differential equation backwards, and has pronounced the newly 'discovered' principle of 'lost work' which roughly quantizes the inefficiencies of the cycle as now somehow a 'present from the heavens' of 'new energy'. .....now if I read my magazines upside down because I was a Sirian new to this system, I would think that folks all had butts for heads?! Grin Standing Bear P.S. I really like the one about the guy that evidently never took a statics or mechanics of materials course and forgot the old formula: epsilon (strain symbol)=(PL)/(EA)......each term of this has a calculus formula behind it!
