Wesley Bruce wrote:
I value the truth but I also know that if we pull out now about 5
million people will die in the bloodiest civil war in middle east
history. It would quickly involve Syria, Iran, Jordan and might spill
over into turkey and Saudi Arabia. We needed to take out Saddam
regardless of his success or failures in making weapons of mass
destruction. Justice not fear should have led us to act ages ago. War is
an imperfect tool and a dangerous one but some times no other option
remains.
OK, I'll bite, how do you know that the civil war, which I agree will
happen, will have this effect? Consider these possibilities. We
eventually have to pull out, if for no other reason than we run out of
volunteer troops. No informed person believes that all of the internal
problems will be resolved by that time. Hatreds built up over
generations will remain, the infrastructure will still be a mess, and
unemployment will be high. In other words, the people will still be
pissed off with each other and with us. Yes, there will be a bloodbath
within the country, which I might add, will be our fault. What we have
done will be resented by people in that area for generations. However,
why would Syria, Iran or the other countries get involved except in a
minor way, such as giving aid to one side or the other. These countries
have no self interest in getting bombed by the US. A general war would
have to be fought without aircraft, because the US can shoot down
anything in the air. On the other hand, the longer we stay, the more of
our people die, the more we spend, the more terrorists are trained, and
the greater will be their wish to get even. As for Saddam, we supported
him for many years and gave him the tools to control and kill his own
people. Only when he threatened "our" oil did we decide he was "bad".
Were do you find justice in our history there?
If we want a better tool than War then we must work harder to find such
tools. I think the World Federalists
<http://www.wfm.org/index.php/base/main> might have a clue but in the
final analysis if any population like the "Sunni Triangle" decide it
can't handle its neighbours having a fare share or objects to having to
work for a living; if any one decides he has the dieing need to kill to
force his beliefs on others then, yes, war is all they can expect in any
world any one can imagine. Name one real or fictional society that has
faced such terrorism and not had to step in Armed?
Such terrorism has been practiced throughout history, and especially in
Europe. Only when it happened here did we attack a country that had
nothing to do with the event. The issue is not responding to terrorism,
but how this can best be done. Bush has chosen the worst possible
approach, but one that gets support from the uninformed.
Regards,
Ed
I advocate freedom of speech and advocate arming police and armies with
non-lethal weapons. But I've also found myself marvelling at Israel's
patience; it would take only 2 dozen Moab type bombs to end the
Palestine problem in a day, yet Israel holds its fire in the noblest of
ways. I'm not advocating the Moab’s I am only noting that they would be
technically possible. Peace and prosperity are not accidents they have
at their heart a Justice and mercy unique to our western and/, yes like
it or not/,our Christian history.
Edmund Storms wrote:
I presume that everyone who reads Vortex values truth and reality. If
this is true, I suggest you read what is written at the following
link. The question raised by a mother who paid a dear price is being
asked by people everywhere. How big a lie must the government tell
before honest people object and before the government is replaced?
Ed Storms
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/082005X.sht
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