Robin van Spaandonk wrote:
In reply to Edmund Storms's message of Fri, 18 Nov 2005 08:50:40
-0700:
Hi,
[snip]
Thanks Robin, the situation is getting clearer. However, I still have
some questions. In summary, the model you are describing assumes one
electron is in a fractional quantum state (Hy) and the additional
electron is in a normal quantum level.
Here you contradict yourself. See your own words here below[1].
Yea, I changed my mind based on the way you described how the Hy is
thought to behave.
Just to be clear, both electrons are in fractional quantum states
according to Mills. (Otherwise the binding energy of the second
electron wouldn't increase with shrinkage level).
Yes, that is what I initially assumed. However, for a compound to form,
the normal quantum levels must be involved. The Hy levels might be
filled by one or more electrons, but these only give the assembly a
negative charge, rather like a really big electron. Bonds are formed by
electrons interacting between similar quantum levels. This is something
the Hy electrons can not do. However these Hy electrons would modify
the energetics of normal quantum levels and cause such compounds to have
unusual properties without the Hy electrons being directly involved.
Because the charge is stable, the Hy should act like a really heavy
electron when focused by electric and magnetic fields. In fact, if they
were caused to bombard a metal plate, they could be used to build up
very high static potentials. Unlike electron, they could not leak away
by conduction. This might produce some unusual effects.
(If I'm not mistaken the energy levels of the two electrons are
very different, but the physical location is almost identical
according to Mills - i.e. there is very little difference in
radius - which come to think of it, doesn't make a lot of sense to
me).
Presumably, the normal quantum
level has been modified by the presence of a charge between it and the
positive nucleus, if we assume a classical structure. As a result, the
"normal" electron is less tightly held depending on the level of the Hy
electron, as you note. This would mean the the chemical bond between
Hy- and M+ would be less energetic than if "normal" hydrogen were
involved. Apparently, when the lowest Hy levels are occupied, the atom
becomes essentially inert because the proton charge is almost totally
neutralized by an electron that can not be lost or modified.
Since the second electron has a "binding energy curve" (for want
of a better term), it would be helpful here if you elucidate your
remarks with level numbers.
("lowest" and "highest" are terms I try to avoid, because they
depend on one's point of view. I.e. is 1 the highest or lowest
level?)
I'm assuming Hy1 is a level closest to the Bohr zero level and Hy22 is a
level that releases the most energy when it is occupied, in which the
electron occupies an orbit close to the proton.
regards,
Ed
As for heat after death, I suggest a simpler explanation is possible.
While electrolysis is ongoing, deuterium is available to the active
surface from the current. However, when current is stopped, deuterium
is available from the interior during the deloading process. Therefore,
life after death would be most apparent when a massive Pd sample is used.
Also possible. I didn't say the explanation I gave was the only
one, I just said that it was "neat". Reality will be determined by
experiment.
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Robin van Spaandonk wrote:
In reply to Edmund Storms's message of Thu, 17 Nov 2005 14:03:14
-0700:
[snip]
[1]
OK, you propose that two or more electrons occupy fractional quantum
levels at the same proton.
[snip]
Regards,
Robin van Spaandonk
http://users.bigpond.net.au/rvanspaa/
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