The magic in Rydberg matter is not in the molecules themselves but how the molecules reformate EMF input to produce magnetic monopoles . The graphite like staking of a long stings of hexagon shaped plates produce EMF monopole magnetic projections. Water crystals have the same sting like structure of stacked graphite like plates and produce the same LENR results even though these water molecules feature both oxygen and hydrogen,.
On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 4:47 PM, Jones Beene <jone...@pacbell.net> wrote: > Mark, > > It would not be a surprise if Holmlid et al - have gotten this detail (2.3 > pm) wrong, but it seems like a minor point in the big picture. > > They could be sitting on the discovery of the century. IMO it is a waste > of time to dwell on that type of detail, when there is so much at stake > on the larger claim of MeV ions. If really there are MeV ions then why not use > your resources working on a foolproof method to show this, and let the > large labs worry about the spacing details sometime in the future? > > It strikes me that they could be overlooking easy ways to demonstrate and > characterize the ions, because: > > 1) They are charged and high energy > > 2) Therefore they can be contained, steered and focused with magnetic > s > > 3) They are of sufficient strength to create spallation and > secondary reactions in many targets > > 4) The spallation signatures are known – neutrons are expected from > simple lead targets > > 5) Many, many ways are available to characterize a focused beam of > MeV ions. > > 6) I cannot help but label this as misguided - reminiscent of > counting the angels on the head of a pin… > > > Who cares about the exact spacing at this juncture. Prove the fast ions > and everyone will beat a path to your door ! > > *From:* Mark Jurich > > A recent paper (article in press) has appeared (about a month ago?), > submitted just before the Olafsson talks in the SF Bay Area, a couple > months ago: > > > > *http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0360319915304687* > <http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0360319915304687> > > > > In it, the authors attempt to address an argument posed by some that an > Inter-nuclear Distance of 2.3 pm in D(0) is unphysical, and I thought I > would open this up to comment/debate on Vortex-L (section of paper > reproduced as best as possible, below): > > > > * Contrary to expectation, the argument that the measured short > distances in D(0) (in general H(0)) are unphysical is sometimes met. The > basic idea behind this argument appears to be that the inter-nuclear > Coulomb repulsion would prevent the clusters to reach such small > inter-nuclear distances. Amazingly, the same argument is also put forward > for the electrons, which are said to repel each other strongly. In Ref. > [1] these points are already answered: “A pair D-D or p-p contains two > electrons and two ions. No inner electrons of course exist for hydrogen, > and thus the ions are bare protons or deuterons, of very small size > relative to the pm sized interparticle distances. The pair-wise > interactions between the four particles, with the interaction distances of > similar size, are two repulsive terms (++ and -- ) and four attractive > terms (+- ). Thus, such a pair increases its stability with shorter > distance scale as 1/r. At a typical inter-particle distance of 2.3 pm, the > total electrostatic energy is of the order of 1 keV thus a bound state. > With different spin states for the two electrons, they may fill the same > space and one of the repulsive terms ( --) disappears effectively. Thus, > the stability of a pair of atoms in the ultra-dense form is increased by > different electron spin states.” Of course, the bound state energy of 1 > keV is directly calculable from the Coulomb energy terms.* > > > > * To clear the thinking, consider that each positive nuclei in the D-D > pair is closer to its electron, thus giving two almost neutral entities. > In that case, there are no repulsive forces of importance at all, and the > system can be shrunk at will, always keeping the attractive (+-) distances > smaller than the repulsive distances. This means that there is no > electrostatic problem to form a D-D pair of pm size. Such a D-D pair can > shrink transiently almost indefinitely to a neutral particle of nuclear > size. Since the deuterons are bosons, and the electrons which are fermions > pair with different spins in the same volume, there is neither any quantum > mechanical effects which prevent the formation of a pair D-D in D(0). It > must be remembered that the D(0) material is not a plasma but a condensed > material formed by pairs D-D attached together in chain clusters [1]. Such > clusters have the form D subscript(2N) with the D-D pairs rotating around > the central axis of the cluster [5]. A related problem is the nature of > the cluster bonding. It is apparent from the numerous studies that D(0) is > in a stationary state, since otherwise the bond distance would vary > strongly in the experiments. That D(0) is in a stationary state means that > the applicable Heisenberg uncertainty relation is (Delta E)(Delta t) >= > h-bar/2, with Delta t large (at least seconds - weeks [34]) and thus Delta > E small. Thus, there is no fundamental quantum mechanical effect which > prevents the formation of stable D(0) with its 2.3 pm bond distances.* > > > > *[1] Holmlid L. Excitation levels in ultra-dense hydrogen p( 1) and d( 1) > clusters: structure of spin-based Rydberg Matter. Int J Mass Spectrom > 2013;352:1-8.* > > *[5] Holmlid L. Experimental studies and observations of clusters of > Rydberg matter and its extreme forms. J Clust Sci 2012;23:5-34.* > > *[34] Badiei S, Andersson PU, Holmlid L. Production of ultra-dense > deuterium, a compact future fusion fuel. Appl Phys Lett 2010;96:124103.* > > > > Mark Jurich >
