I read through the Burgener patent and must admit that I don't quite get where he is saying that he gets the anomalous power and how much he gets. The described ferroelectric materials he lists are all ceramics. Most of these are both piezoelectric and pyroelectric. He calls for specific donor and acceptor metal electrodes, so it seems like he is trying to make a diode at the same time. It could well be that the electricity seen from his devices is related to rectified piezoelectricly produced waveforms.
OTOH, Steorn's devices are cylindrical with radial leads. The power pack element seems to be limited to about 5.5V like 2 supercaps in series. My first questions is, "could this be an effect that he discovered that is a characteristic of common supercaps?" As I mentioned previously, the cylindrical packaging suggests that it was made as a flat structure that is rolled up to form the cylinder. That type of forming process would not be applicable to ceramics. It seemed pretty clear to me that his video was demonstrating energy coming from somewhere, and not the 9V batteries. Obviously there could have been some smoke and mirrors preventing the video watcher from observing the true source of the energy. However, if we take the demo as what it appears to be, the blue cylindrical power pack element seems to be showing more energy taken out than put in. Of course, batteries come in cylindrical cells and there was no demonstration of more power out than a conventional cylindrical battery cell could have provided. If it were me, I would be interested in additional data. I am *not* inclined to write this technology off as scam without further details. Nor am I ready to say it is an over-unity device. On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 10:48 AM, Jones Beene <jone...@pacbell.net> wrote: > Bob, > > > > Do you have any comment on the Burgener patent in the context of Orbo? > > > > There are anomalies in circuits which seem to turn up whenever batteries, > supercaps and electrets are combined. This is a lure, and Steorn bit - but > no one has pulled it off before in a long term device. I have a feeling > that Steorn saw a real anomaly but jumped the gun on bringing it to market > too soon. > > > > It goes back to having both types of charge carriers (electron and ionic) > and both types of current (conduction current and displacement current), > combined with a constant source of phantom voltage from the electret, and > in the case of Burgener – both a ferroelectric and ferromagnetic > juxtaposition. > > > > Even with the problems which have turned up, I am less skeptical than > before that there is a real energy anomaly here. This does not mean that > Steorn is capable of harnessing it, since they have demonstrated no level > of high skill or acumen (other than in fundraising) so the door is still > open for others with the proper skills. > > > > *From:* Bob Higgins > > > > It appears from the Steorn video description pointed to by Jones below > that the the "power packs" behave as an unusual capacitor. The device > appears to have separate charge and discharge modes. In charge mode the > capacitor-like "power-packs" are "charged" from a high voltage source (2x9V > battery with series 1Mohm resistor). While charging, the capacitance > appears to be very low, call it Cc, and it doesn't take much Coulombic > charge (not many electrons) to reach a voltage of, say 5V. Then the > capacitor-like "power pack" is switched to a load. In discharge, the > capacitance, Cd, appears to be much higher than Cc, allowing more Coulombic > charge (more electrons) to be taken out before the device reaches its > minimum discharge voltage. This is a quite unusual [classically impossible > over-unity] device, which still may be related to an electret. It appears > that the capacitor-like "power pack" elements are of "jelly roll" > construction due to their cylindrical form factor. > > If the "power pack" devices truly work in this fashion, I can easily see > how over-unity energy is delivered. > > > > Jones Beene wrote: > > Prototypes have been shown. Not sure of current status as there were legal > disputes involved. Eye witnesses under NDA have seen it producing > electrical power. There is a chance that “something like this” is > involved in the Steorn device (to the extent that either device actually > works over an extended period) but I doubt it - since Steorn doesn’t seem > to work, firstly - and secondly doesn’t have a magnetic field. Here is an > update: > > > http://dispatchesfromthefuture.com/2016/02/new-video-reveals-ocube-components-describes-problems/ > > >
