John, Recently it occurred to me that Google Ngram could be used gauge societal attitudes about men and women over time. This Google Ngram graphs the usage of the words "feminist", "feminine" and "masculine" from 1700 to 2008 as they are used in English books.
https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=feminism%2Cfeminine%2Cmasculine&year_start=1700&year_end=2008&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2Cfeminism%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2Cfeminine%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2Cmasculine%3B%2Cc0 Notice the cross over around 1836 for "feminine" and "masculine" and how the usage of "feminist" begins to rise sharply around 1970. Harry On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 7:47 PM, John Berry <berry.joh...@gmail.com> wrote: > The point that I believe Harry and I am making is not that women have > always had safer jobs than men. > > But rather that in modern western feminist society this is the case. > > There are just as many men battered by women apparently. > And did you even know that men being raped by women actually happens > despite obvious challenges, the some stats sow the incidences might be far > closer to parity that we could conceive. > > Of course more men are raped, by men in prison. > And many prisoners are not guilty, or are not being punished in an > even-handed manner. > > Pendulums can swing too far sometimes in the other direction. > > But I must just be a stupid man, because that's funny as the Simpsons, > Family Guy, Beer commercials, sitcoms and other media points out. > > A woman can slap a man and it is seen as ok, can a man slap a woman? > > There is an idea that sexism is only discrimination against women, and > that's the problem. > > Same is true of racism, it isn't always white people being the > perpetrators and black (brown, yellow) people are not always the victims. > Though the US still has a biiiig problem with racist white cops and a > biased 'injustice' system, but these things are not all one way. > > And inequality is inequality no matter which way it is pointed. > > John > > On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 12:20 PM, Jed Rothwell <jedrothw...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> John Berry <berry.joh...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I think if as many women were killed at jobs, especially if it was the >>> same but reverse of the actual m/f ratio, there would have long ago been a >>> massive push to make these jobs safer. >>> >> >> There *has been* a massive push to make *all* jobs safer! Read history, >> for goodness sake. Read about mining. Look at ships, heavy equipment, >> factories, farming. Injuries and fatalities are far rarer than they used to >> be. >> >> Women working in 19th century factories died at a higher rate than men do >> nowadays. For that matter, children working in factories and mines were >> killed so often that some British mines had a rubber-stamp form to fill in >> the names and pay off the parents. A rubber-stamp! >> >> Look up "19th century child labor" images on Google, and you will see >> things like this of both boys and girls doing dangerous heavy labor in >> mines and elsewhere: >> >> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b3/Childlabourcoal.jpg >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_childhood#/media/File:Coaltub.png >> >> Obviously, in Europe and the U.S. it was traditional for men to do >> dangerous jobs. The tradition lives on because, as I said, you have to grow >> up doing these things or you are likely to be killed. No one can just walk >> up and start working in a farm or on construction. You will cut your arm >> off with a power tool. >> >> In countries where women traditionally did some kinds of dangerous work >> in some industries, such as Japan, the fatality rate was worse than men. >> >> Even today, women in U.S. industry suffer a great deal, although they are >> no longer in as much danger of being killed. In Georgia and South Carolina, >> most chicken processing plants are staffed mainly by women. Their lives are >> not at risk, but they suffer horribly from repetitive stress syndrome. They >> are poor because these jobs don't pay a living wage. Many are illegal >> immigrants. So nothing is done about this problem. Also, Members of >> Congress and state government elected officials are on record saying that >> repetitive stress syndrome does not exist, and these women are malingering >> and trying to get free money. I expect such elected officials have never >> worked a day in their life at any manual job in a factory, farm or kitchen. >> I wish I could subject them to a month working in these places -- or I wish >> I could subject their wives and daughters to that. You would see new laws >> and improvements overnight! >> >> Again, it will be a better world when robots do that sort of work. The >> only problem is that people will go from having inadequate jobs that do not >> pay a living wage to having no jobs at all. >> >> - Jed >> >> >
