Jones Beene says: The (possible) reason the proton reaction is comparatively weak despite the massive decay energy of mesons is that decay occurs so far away from the reactor that the energy cannot be captured. The particles can decay hundreds of meters away on average.
If the sub atomic particles(muons) are still entangled in the LENR reaction condensate then distance away from that condinsate does not matter because entanglement is not affected by distance. The muon catalyzed fusion will still be shared by the condinsate that produced the sub atomic particle shower. This entanglement with the BEC is why there is no gammas produced by the muon and pion fusion. This fusion energy is shared over kilometers with the BEC through super-absorption. On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 1:34 PM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> wrote: > The first reaction to occure is meson production which as nothing to do > with fusion: > > Holmlid writes: > > Quote > > The time variation of the collector signals was initially assumed to be > due to time-of-flight of the ejected particles from the target to the > collectors. Even the relatively low particle velocity of 10–20 MeV u-1 found > with this assumption [21 > <http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0169895#pone.0169895.ref021> > –23 > <http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0169895#pone.0169895.ref023>] > is not explainable as originating in ordinary nuclear fusion. The highest > energy particles from normal D+D fusion are neutrons with 14.1 MeV and > protons with 14.7 MeV [57 > <http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0169895#pone.0169895.ref057>]. > The high-energy protons are only formed by the D + 3He reaction step, > which is relatively unlikely and for example not observed in our > laser-induced D+D fusion study in D(0) [14 > <http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0169895#pone.0169895.ref014>]. > Any high-energy neutrons would not be observed in the present experiments. > Thus, ordinary fusion D+D cannot give the observed particle velocities. > Further, similar particle velocities are obtained also from the > laser-induced processes in p(0) as seen in Figs 4 > <http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0169895#pone-0169895-g004> > , 6 > <http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0169895#pone-0169895-g006> > and 7 > <http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0169895#pone-0169895-g007> > etc, > where no ordinary fusion process can take place. *Thus, it is apparent > that the particle energy observed is derived from other nuclear processes > than ordinary fusion.* > > > Like any good scientist, Holmlid has gotten over his preconception of > fusion as the energy source for these sub atomic particles. In other words, > the primary reaction of LENR has nothing to do with fusion or neutrons. > Kaon production points to a amplified weak force decay process working to > decay protons and neutrons providing a initial energy potential of a giga > electron volts per reaction as all the mass of these nucleons are converted > to mesons. There is a huge amount of energy consumed in meson production, > and a trifling amount to heat. > > > As a secondary reaction produced by sub atomic particles, muon and pion > fusion occurs away from the primary weak force decay reaction. > > > > > On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 1:02 PM, Jones Beene <jone...@pacbell.net> wrote: > >> >> This is an extremely important paper, even if it is incremental to >> earlier work. There had been an open question about the necessity of >> deuterium, as opposed to protium - but now that is answered. >> >> Holmlid's body of work going back a decade is by far the most advanced in >> LENR. This is the future of the field, and it looks very much like a merger >> of ICF hot fusion with cold fusion. >> >> However, we must recognize that Holmlid does show both hot fusion and >> meson/muon production processes with Deuterium - so essentially only the >> proton-based reactions are non-fusion. By implication the net energy with >> protons is far less - and he only claims net gain with deuterium. >> >> Here is the relevant quote for that: "MeV particles are ejected by >> laser-induced processes in both D(0) and p(0). Also, normal D+D fusion >> processes giving 4He and 3He ions were shown to be initiated by a >> relatively weak pulsed laser [using deuterium fuel]. Laser-induced nuclear >> fusion in D(0) gives heat above break-even, as reported in Ref. [15 >> <http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0169895#pone.0169895.ref015>]. >> END = note that Holmlid does NOT say that protium does not give heat above >> breakeven, only that deuterium does provide it -- but the lack with protium >> is implied. >> >> Thus we can summarize by saying that in both cases mesons/muons are seen. >> But with deuterium there is also hot fusion, in addition to the mesons, and >> this provides the excess heat, which is not the case with protons. The 24 >> MeV gamma is replaced by a particle flux in the range of 20 MeV indicating >> that 4 deuterons fuse into 2 alphas. Sound familiar? That is reminiscent of >> Takahasi's tetrahedral theory. >> >> However, ordinary D+D fusion reactions only give an energy up to 3.0 MeV >> in the first reaction step, and up to 14.7 MeV in the second step of the >> reactions and this apparently avoids the 24 MeV gamma. Thus, nuclear >> processes take place with deuterium which are indeed a new version of hot >> fusion --with a new kind of multi-particle branching where gammas do not >> occur. >> >> The (possible) reason the proton reaction is comparatively weak despite >> the massive decay energy of mesons is that decay occurs so far away from >> the reactor that the energy cannot be captured. The particles can decay >> hundreds of meters away on average. >> >> Jones >> Axil Axil wrote: >> >> http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0169895 >> >> Mesons from Laser-Induced Processes in Ultra-Dense Hydrogen H(0) >> >> A new paper from Holmlid where he now deduces that LENR cannot be a >> fusion based reaction because the energy of the mesons produced are far to >> great. I respect a man that can change his mind under the weight of >> experimental evidence. >> >> The hydrogen nanoparticle that produces the mesons are 3 to 6 planes long. >> >> >> >
