Ashfield,
You have already admitted that you do not know what is in the SunCell,
so why would you try to save face by saying "what apparently is in the
SunCell"?
That CFL analogy stands, no matter what you may think from your brief
learning excursion into plasmas. There is no data from Mills to indicate
otherwise.
And it is doubtful that Rossi could be libeled, even if that was the
commenters intent, which it is not. Actually, I would love to see him
succeed by showing real gain with real data. That is why I am on this
forum - the operative word being "real". Rossi's reputation following
the Petroldragon affair, for which he was never pardoned, BTW -
eliminates the possibility of further damage, so ditch the "libel" crap.
On 3/28/2017 7:41 AM, a.ashfield wrote:
Beene,
"It (plasma) can simply be considered as a gaseous mixture of
negatively charged electrons and highly charged positive ions, being
created by heating a gas or by subjecting gas to a strong
electromagnetic field. However, true plasma production is from the
distinct separation of these ions and electrons that produces an
electric field, which in turn, produces electric currents and magnetic
fields" Wikipedia.
Apparently you think a relatively cool, partially ionized gas like a
neon display is the same as a more fully ionized hot plasma in the
sun, or what apparently is in the SunCell.
You accuse me of not understanding capacitance well enough to know
that they were used to fake the "self running" plasma. Where did I
say that didn't happen? Earlier you claimed you had not written that.
You didn't give the period of self sustaining operation,nor the power
required to run it unsustained, nor the capacity of the capacitors
required t do that. You simply waved your arms. "Big" doesn't cut it.
If you used Occam's razor you would cut yourself because your bias is
that neither the SunCell nor the E-Cat can possibly work, so ANY
evidence that they do is either error or fraud.
Yes, you do make libelous statements although I doubt it is worth the
time to go after you for them.
AA
On 3/28/2017 9:51 AM, Jones Beene wrote:
Ashfield's ignorance of basic facts here is palpable.
Either he does not understand that capacitors store enough energy to
account of the "self-running" of the SunCell, or he was unaware that
Mills power supply contains large caps - as shown in early images
which Mills removed from his site. Either way that is ignorance of
basic facts which explain the lack of a real anomaly based on
appearances.
The statement that common CFL lighting does not contain a plasma is
further ignorance. The belief that plasma devices cannot run for very
long periods on capacitance is further ignorance. His continual plea
to stop so-called "libel" of Rossi is further ignorance of both law
and facts.
I am not sure what he hope to gain by these endless and inane
pro-Rossi postings - but it is not respect for his technical ability.
Apparently, since Rossi has made a fool out of him, he wishes to
share the blame, instead of admitting his gullibility. He should be
posting to Rossi's sock-puppet blog - where his views will be
appreciated.
Brian Ahern wrote:
I may be arrogant when it comes to Mills, Rossi and Godes, but I
did not comment on capacitors.
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*From:* a.ashfield
Brian,
Neither you not I are close enough to know why Mills hasn't gone
after it. Probably he doesn't need it. You don't know what
conditions are attached to the $1B either.
Of course you assume the worst. Where in every house is there a
plasma again? Mills' plasma can melt large tungsten electrodes but
of course that is no proof of high heat, right?
You asked me if I knew what a capacitor was. Talk about arrogance.
AA
On 3/27/2017 6:17 PM, Brian Ahern wrote:
Sometimes it is best to shave with Occam's razor.
Bill Gates says he will invest $1B in any real new source of
energy. Why hasn't Mills addressed this source.
Mills will not allow any discussion of this opportunity, because he
would have to submit to due diligence.
But the mindless followers will argue about IP strategies to avoid
this technological collision.
The people who want to give Mills, Rossi and Godes a free pass have
succumbed to the infinite upside potential in contrast to modest
investment. They cannot fathom the magnitude of a successful
experiment, so the risk/rewards calculations are obtained by
division by zero.
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*From:* Brian Ahern <ahern_br...@msn.com>
*Sent:* Monday, March 27, 2017 5:38 AM
*To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
*Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Should Mills and Rossi be lumped together?
It has never been independently observed, but is often quoted.
If it was true, he could openly demonstrate it operating.
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*From:* a.ashfield <a.ashfi...@verizon.net>
*Sent:* Sunday, March 26, 2017 8:19 PM
*To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
*Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Should Mills and Rossi be lumped together?
Supposedly the plasma is >3500C. As it runs without any input
power why do you not think it generates any (excess) heat?
AA
On 3/26/2017 7:35 PM, Brian Ahern wrote:
They needn't be lying. Measuring energy flow with a plasma is
challenging.
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*From:* a.ashfield <a.ashfi...@verizon.net>
*Sent:* Sunday, March 26, 2017 1:19 PM
*To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
*Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Should Mills and Rossi be lumped together?
Brian,
Apart from some calorimetry on the SunCell in the early days,
would you not think a self perpetuating plasma would produce some
heat? Several (hired) independent investigators also back Mill's
claims, or do you think they are all lying?
AA
On 3/26/2017 12:00 PM, Brian Ahern wrote:
A. ..". there is good evidence that the SunCell produces a
large amount of excess heat.."
Amazingly, even RM offers no data or measurements on this issue.
He could show water flow calorimetry to an accuracy of 50% within
two days of set up and calibration. I would offer to pay for it
and conduct it for him.
Alas, there is no calorimetry offered to the suggestible investors.
The mantra for Mills, Rossi and Godes is: No data = no failure
= ambiguity coupled with enticing potential profits = large
investments while showing nothing.
If they conducted tests and failed the investment stream would cease.
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*From:* a.ashfield <a.ashfi...@verizon.net>
*Sent:* Sunday, March 26, 2017 11:23 AM
*To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
*Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Should Mills and Rossi be lumped together?
Eric,
I don't feel expert enough to pass judgement. I think that is
the point. Physicists more expert than me can't make up their
minds whether Mills is a genius or delusional. That he can come
up with values for particles that are more accurate than from QM
and that his program can show the position nuclei and electrons
for complicated molecules (proven) suggests to me that it is
premature to be so dogmatic that he is wrong. Likewise there is
good evidence that the SunCell produces a large amount of excess
heat, though one might quibble about the actual value.
AA
On 3/25/2017 5:52 PM, Eric Walker wrote:
On Sat, Mar 25, 2017 at 4:49 PM, a.ashfield
<a.ashfi...@verizon.net <mailto:a.ashfi...@verizon.net>> wrote:
To me it looks like the hand waving is largely from the
skeptics. I have yet to see a specific item that is wrong in
Mills theories highlighted by them.
Did you take a look at the link I sent? Can you help us to make
sense of those equations? What would be ideal would be an
explicit derivation of the electron-neutron mass ratio, which is
purportedly based on those equations. If you can do this, it
would be a very helpful thing. My strong hunch: it is not
possible, because the Mills neutron-electron mass ratio is ad
hoc and was not derived from them. But your knowledge here can
help to dispel this impression.
Eric
