Do not try to search inside the old framework. Dirac was a mathematician
with no clue of physics. He never understood EM theory and the later
linking with GR made it even worse.
There are no deep orbits as physics always requires forces that are base
on a proper source (Maxwell! not QM/QED) term not on mathematical fantasy!
Or simply: Potentials are 1st order approximations only! Same with flat
orbits/free fall.
J.W.
On 24.11.2020 19:09, H LV wrote:
On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 9:52 AM JonesBeene <jone...@pacbell.net
<mailto:jone...@pacbell.net>> wrote:
Has anyone here seen the vials of supposed hydrinos that Mills
used to show at conferences? Were they ever tested independently?
He seems to have given up that gimmick (perhaps at the advice of
his lawyer)…One wonders what materials would bind to dense
hydrogen or even if the material could be contained at all.
If H* is dense and chemically inert (except with other H*) then a
natural source on earth would be unlikely to have been found in
the past. Any atoms of it which were created would essentially
sink since no natural elements should be capable to contain the H*
for long, given its compactness and density. Unless the species
turns up in biology then it seems that there is essentially no
normal place for it to accumulate. Its density insures that it
should preferentially move towards the center of earth with no
means of stopping it except for weak diamagnetism -- Assuming that
it is diamagnetic like hydrogen
A. Meulenberg is a proponent of H* as a pathway to producing excess
heat through cold fusion . Therefore in addition to showing they can
exist, he also has to ensure that they have the requisite properties
which facilitate cold fusion . An interesting criticism arose in
recent years is that if they do exist as a legitimate solution to the
dirac equation then they will have a negative energy. If this is true
it would undermine their usefulness as a pathway to CF. In the
paper_Research Article Advance on Electron Deep Orbits of the Hydrogen
Atom _ (J. Condensed Matter Nucl. Sci. 24 (2017) he and Paillet argue
with some algebra that the sign of the energy solution should be
positive rather than negative. I don`t know if their argument is sound
or not, but they do point out that the negative solution is normally
regarded as physically meaningless. Since my appreciation of H* does
not depend on their usefulness in explaining CF, I am willing to
accept that a negative energy solution is the correct solution, so the
next issue is to work out the implications. A similar situation arose
90 years ago when Dirac was faced with a negative kinetic energy
solution to his equation. He could have dismissed it as unphysical,
but instead he interpreted the solution in such a way that led him to
propose the existence of a new particle...the positron.
Harry
According to Mills, the solar corona is a vast factory for making
dense hydrogen. In all of these Vortex posts, the various theories
of dense hydrogen have been intentionally conflated and the name
‘hydrino’ is seldom used - since most of the theorists now seem
to agree that the single densest state is the only one which fits
into theory seamlessly and not the stepwise progression of Mills
with its 137 steps is counter-productive.
At any rate, if millions of tons per day of the stuff are being
made in the solar corona and then finding it way to earth via the
“solar wind” and collecting in the oceans of earth then it might
be possible to work backwards to find a natural biological
repository and then look there..
The best candidate I can think of would involve the lifeforms
around the deep ocean vents. Maybe the mussel shells found there
are high density and self-heating 😊
·If hydrinos are just more stable versions of isolated
hydrogen atoms they should have been discovered in
hydrogen gas using old technology many decades ago. But
this is just a strawman argument against their existence.
Harry
What old technology, exactly, would have discovered them?
That is an intriguing path to follow
BTW it could be a “fundable” inquiry involving a deeper
look at old data.. should anyone here be looking for a new
project.
H* would have almost the same mass as hydrogen - but would
be so much denser that it probably cannot react
chemically in the same way, so they are relatively inert.
For instance, there is unlikely to be found in nature a
form of water where one of the protons is replaced with
dense hydrogen as this could present a charge imbalance.
It would be worth the effort to find the most likely place
dense hydrogen should be found in nature (assuming it is real)
My guess is that it would be in biological lifeforms which
use it for survival, somehow.
Jones
Look for abnormally high energetic emissions from a hot
hydrogen gas. That would be evidence of hydrogen relaxing
below the ground state. The probability of the formation of
hydrinos in an ideal gas would be very low.. However, I think
the probability might increase as the gas got cooler. This
would be in contrast with the probability of fusion
increasing as the temperature of the gas increased.
Harry
It might be better to look for unusual absorption lines in a cold
gas of hydrogen. This would indicate the hydrino atom was there
but changed back into an ordinary hydrogen atom by absorbing energy.
Jürg
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