Here's what I've been able to glean from their site. It is self-powered. There is no input.
They won't do demos because, they say, they'll be put down as conmen unless a jury of reputable scientists confirms the OU. They'll announce their first products the day the jury announces its verdict. They have said they continue to file applications for patents on different implementations of the basic configuration. The basic configuration is simple. My guess is that if somebody versed in the art were to have even a cursory look at the device, he could go home and build his own. That's just a guess, but it would explain their reluctance to demo it. To put it another way, whatever good their demo did for them would be outweighed by everybody and his brother copying the device and beating them to the market. They're not struggling or dying for public recognition. The CEO says they used the economist ad and the early interviews to get scientists to take up their challenge. Now that that has been accomplished, they don't need publicity. >From what I can see, they are doing nothing to seek publicity; there is almost zero media mention of them these days. They claim to have a 550bhp motor, and have tested the effect for three years. A measurement error seems very unlikely. The CEO says no device has stopped running unless a mechanical part wore out or they shut it down. They are fully funded and do not need investors to bring the device(s) to market. The CEO has said they will not accept investment money. Steorn have not 'come out of nowhere', at least in the sense of being a bona fide company, with a track record of accomplishment. That goes, too, for the CEO, who has been an engineer since 1989. They have about 20 full-time employees and several consultants. Their engineers all have university degress, some of them advanced degrees An independent observer has visited their offices, which she describes as extensive and well-guarded, seen documentation on a couple of the jurors, and confirmed that they are reputable scientists. She has seen a video of the CEO of a European manufacturing partner of Steorn's as he assembled a test device and started it running. He said, in the video, that he left it running over a weekend and when he returned it was still running. She looked him up on the internet, and found a picture of him on his company's website. It was the same man she saw in the video. You say: [**magnetic overunity [or magnets with coils, pendulums, or some combination of mechanical recycling of torque with a magnetic boost] will probably be demonstrated by someone next year - 2007 ! as there are many groups who are on the verge now. MPI would be expected to have something next year and/or Sprain in Atlanta...**] You think MPI is 'on the verge', but they've been 'on the verge' for years, and have continually asked for more money, and have demonstrated nothing. Sprain has demonstrated nothing that is OU, but promises to do so soon. I don't see how you can speak respectfully of those outfits while deprecating Steorn's claims. You complain that Steorn has demonstrated nothing, but neither has MPI or Sprain. It's almost as if you require 10 times the proof from Steorn that you do from anyone else. You also say: [**Steorn does not yet have the "tin cup" stretched out -- as the less-sophisticated scammers like to do early-on.**] It sounds like you are flat-out calling them scammers. Amazing Jones Beene wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- From: Esa Ruoho > >> they can't say why its overunity - who would believe them? that's >> why they went public and are picking out a row of skeptical scientists >> to prove once and for all if its overunity or not. > > Forget all that. Can you answer the single critical issue of self-power > (or lack thereof) ? > > If a self-powered unit exists now - where is it? - regardless of any > explanations/ skepticism - a self-powered unit is all the evidence which > in needed by anyone, skeptic or not. > > Why not just call the BBC in to film it running under self-power, while > those supposedly skeptical scientists are debating the underlying > modality, which is probably related to ZPE/Casimir in some fashion? Is > that too much to ask from a company which is seemingly struggling and > dying for public recognition - and paying dearly for much of it instead > of putting those resources into development ? > > Let me say at the outset - that magnetic overunity [or magnets with > coils, pendulums, or some combination of mechanical recycling of torque > with a magnetic boost] will probably be demonstrated by someone next > year - 2007 ! as there are many groups who are on the verge now. MPI > would be expected to have something next year and/or Sprain in Atlanta, > and five or six lesser and "fringier" efforts which include Perendev, > Minato, Torbay and Steorn etc. I would put Steorn firmly at the tail end > of this list, due solely to the way they have handled the announcement - > but a single self-running demo will immediately change that. Not that it > matters. Proof - not PR - is all that matters. Self-running = Proof. > > If Steorn were not so PR-oriented - and highly desirous of every > kind-word of public recognition - why else did they announce this in > such an expensive way, characteristic of a PR blitz (or the "Czech > Dream") ? shouldn't a company which apparently has not paid their > corporate licensing fees have saved the 100,000 pounds for the expensive > advertising and just called up Oxford/Cambridge for a private showing? > It just does not make sense - the way they have handled it, unless they > have been hired to do it as a stunt of some kind. Maybe Branson or some > other drama-queen is hiding in there somewhere. > > Apparently (or if) it is not a self-runner, then that narrows the issue > considerably, as **measurement error** is very common in this type of > device. Almost anyone here, especially the "consultants" - if that was > said in a derogatory fashion - could have explained this issue of likely > measurement-error to Steorn - and in great detail. That is, had Steorn > not "come out of nowhere" --- which is yet another problem for their > credulity. There is a community of creative but careful scientific > people involved heavily in this field, and no one at Steorn was not part > of it - prior to recently. > > And look at the wasted time. Steorn has wasted infinitely more precious > time with mundane PR details, endless press questioning and facility > tours, etc then a single BBC filming would have accomplished on day-one > ---IF--- Steorn has a device which will self-run. If not - the most of > us will agree that it is likely measurement error. > > Skeptics who want to go on record with the "told you so" thing should be > focusing solely on that issue: is it self-running or not. If it is not, > then Steorn has a monstrous problem on their hands and will probably > look like fools in the end. > > Plus - did not someone at Steorn actually claim that they had a device > self-running for an extended period, but that they could not show it for > some strange reason --- like it had been disassembled to make an even > better model ! > > Ha! Sounds very much like the English crank scientist who claimed to > have invented an anti-gravity device but he cold not show it to the > skeptics because his wife had inadvertently turned it on - and it > blasted through the roof of his home and escaped into space ! He could > show the hole, however. > > Suspension of disbelief has its limits. > > Jones > > (not a Steorn skeptic yet -- just stating the obvious inconsistencies > with their story, and the sad way in which they have handled what could > be a monumental discovery, if it could be believed) > > Let me repeat - This is NOT the way science - even fringe-science is > handled, and that is why all the suspicion is warranted - even though > Steorn does not yet have the "tin cup" stretched out -- as the > less-sophisticated scammers like to do early-on. > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sponsored Link Degrees online in as fast as 1 Yr MBA, Bachelor's, Master's, Assoc http://yahoo.degrees.info
