Oh I forgot again, could a "Jones readable" Vo reply to this so he gets it? Thanks.
Michel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michel Jullian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 12:52 AM Subject: [Vo]: Re: Loop closed? (was Re: High efficiency electrolysis) >> Actually, Michel, no one was fooled > > Wrong Jones, at least one person was: myself, between the moment I imagined > the scheme and the moment I realized it couldn't work :/ After that > admittedly it was hard to sound convincing :) > > BTW your challenge/riddle beats me, can the thing be made OU after all? > > Michel > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jones Beene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <vortex-l@eskimo.com> > Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 9:07 PM > Subject: [Vo]: Re: Loop closed? (was Re: High efficiency electrolysis) > > >> Michel Jullian wrote: >> >> >>>> My scheme simply can NOT work as I realized before I even posted it, >>>> because >>>> the absolute max efficiency of a heat pump, which depends only on the >>>> absolute >>>> temperatures of the hot and cold sources, is exactly equal to one over the >>>> absolute max efficiency of a heat engine working with the same temperature >>>> sources (the formulae derive from the W and Q formula Ron gave), so that if >>>> you increase one you decrease the other, and when you multiply the two the >>>> very best you can get is a global COP of... 1. ;-( >> >> >> Actually, Michel, no one was fooled by your ruse for a nanosecond, as I >> am sure that you must realize but nevertheless, it is interesting to >> continue the thread to its logical ending ... >> >> ...which is this: what you have stated above in not necessarily true: >> i.e "when you multiply the two the very best you can get is a global COP >> of 1" ... as you have neglected a very important point. >> >> So let me challenge you: can you find the fault in your own logic? >> >> Hint: this will involve expanding the formula outside of its local frame >> into a larger frame of reference .... somewhat as a microcosm of the >> differences between SR and GR. >> >> Jones >> >
