hey jed.
i saw this and i thought of me.. and then i thought of you.
http://xkcd.com/386/
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On 20/02/2008, Jed Rothwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  See:
>
>  http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/
>
>  <http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/%7Ealtemey/>This is the web site of Bob
> Altemayer of U. Manitoba, a social scientist.
>
> This web site and book was recommended by Pres. Nixon's White House
> Council John Dean, during a lecture on UCTV. I highly recommend it. It
> describes the mindset (or psychology) of the authoritarian person, who can
> be either a leader or follower.
>
> This book may seem biased against right-wing extremist authoritarians, but
> I do not think it is. It describes mainly right-winger authoritarians
> because that is the type we are familiar with in the U.S. and Canada. But
> authoritarians can also be extreme left-wing people such as Fidel Castro, or
> Stalin. We don't happen have many like that in the U.S. or Canada, so most
> of the examples in the book are right-wingers.
>
> (I digress, but in a sense the Stalinists were conservatives. My father,
> who was posted to Russia during WWII, said that the Stalinist officials he
> met with the most reactionary, conservative people he ever encountered. The
> thing is, they were trying to conserve Marxist Leninism, whereas our
> conservatives are trying to preserve pure laissez-faire capitalism.)
>
> Anyway, let me explain what this has to do with cold fusion. The other day
> I was speculating about why mainstream science has become so conservative
> over the past half-century. I think it is mainly the structural reasons
> described by Hagelstein and others, such as excessive centralized funding
> and the overdependence on peer review. But another reason is that large
> branches of science have been captured by empire building people who tend to
> be authoritarian. As this book shows, authoritarianism is usually the enemy
> of the open-minded, objective scientific attitude. It includes many good
> examples.
>
> Authoritarians also tend toward "pseudoskepticism" (Marcello Truzzi's
> term, I think) or pathological skepticism. In his book, Storms accuses
> opponents of cold fusion of  being pathological skeptics (p. 49). We have
> often discussed these people. I consider the people at CSICOP to be
> pseudoskeptics, and the Society for Scientific Exploration to be the
> antidote, and true skeptics.
>
> Let me work through one example of this
>
> Authoritarians abound at Wikipedia, and they are the ones who torpedoed
> the cold fusion article. One of their characteristics, described in this
> book is "conventionalism" ("believing that *everybody *should have to
> follow the norms and customs that your authorities have decreed) and the
> notion that they speak for the majority -- even when they do not, or when
> the definition of "majority" is so vague it becomes meaningless, which is
> the case in cold fusion. As I have often pointed out in arguments with
> skeptics, you can define "majority" different ways:
>
> 1. The majority in the entire human population -- the set of 6 billion
> people. Most people in this group have never heard of cold fusion.
>
> 2. The majority of professional engineers and scientists. Probably, most
> people in this group have read a little about cold fusion in the popular
> press and they assume it does not exist.
>
> 3. The majority of professional electrochemists, materials scientists and
> others who have some relevant knowledge. It is very difficult to say what
> this group thinks of cold fusion. Just about every electrochemist knows
> Fleischmann and Bockris, and I doubt they would categorically assert these
> two must be wrong.
>
> 4. The majority of people who have some relevant knowledge and who have
> read five or more papers about cold fusion. I would bet that 90% of these
> people are convinced that cold fusion is real. I know only one person in
> this category who denies that cold fusion is real: Dieter Britz, and I think
> his reasoning is far, far off the rails.
>
> 5. The majority of mainstream, established, professional scientists who
> have performed experiments in cold fusion and published papers. In most
> scientific disciplines, this is the only group that has any say in the
> matter. Nearly everyone in this group is certain that cold fusion is real.
> There are roughly ~2,000 people in this category (out of the 4,706 authors
> listed in the LENR-CANR.org database). In normal circumstances, no one in
> his right mind would question the judgement of such a large group of
> professionals.
>
> What is interesting is that normally an authoritarian would be the first
> to define the relevant group as number five, and to accept their conclusion
> simply because they are mainstream professionals. In other words,
> authoritarians tend to make an Appeal to Authority logical fallacy. But, in
> this case, they reject group #5 in favor of the opinions of people who have
> no knowledge whatever, such as the editors of the Scientific American.
>
> As I have noted here before, an Appeal to Authority does NOT mean citing a
> relevant, competent authority. That is not a fallacy, although many people
> believe it is. See:
>
>  http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/appeal-to-authority.html
>
> Citing McKubre *is not* an fallacy, because Mike is a bona fide authority.
> Citing the editor of Sci. Am. *is* a fallacy, because the man told me he
> has not read anything about cold fusion, and all of his assertions about the
> subject are demonstrably ignorant and wrong. This is one of the errors that
> pseudo-skeptics at Wikipedia have made repeatedly. They themselves
> constantly make Appeal to Authority fallacies, but when I cite a real
> authority, they turn around and accuse me of making an Appeal to Authority
> fallacy. They are not strong on logic -- to say the least. Also, none of
> them has ever acknowledged this mistake, or any mistake for that matter,
> which is also characteristic of the authoritarian personality.
>
> - Jed
>



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