----- Original Message ----- From: "Jones Beene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "vortex" <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Cc: "Ron Wormus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 3:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:BLP Replication


Finally !! Thanks to Ron for digging up this, as it apparently has gone unnoticed on HSG.

Executive summary - calibration runs indicate an efficient calorimetry system which does capture and retain 99+% of the heat within the calorimeter (0.54-0.82% loss). Therefore the reliability of the results seems to be good, and believable. [hope they allow other experts in calorimetry to have a close look]

In the heat experiments, the reactor generated over 1 megajoule of excess heat - of which only ~10 kilojoules could be accounted for by chemistry. Wow!

This is actually better than anything which BLP has reported AFAIK !

BLP reported 753 kJ from essentially the same experiment. The difference can be just the amount of 'fuel' used for each run. The energy output scales linearly.

Some may quibble about the level of "independence" since the reactor was provided by BLP.

COMMENTARY: So what if they used a loaner? I do not believe Randy was looking over their shoulder.

Quite so. The Rowan report lists participants from several departments.

Given that BLP does not want anyone else to know the exact details of this proprietary device, which is not unreasonable - this is fully acceptable so long as there was not other outside influence.

Not quite so. The paper onthe webiste titled "Commercializable....." is thick with details of several 'solid fuel' reactions, including NaH. The trick is to study this paper and tease out it the details of the process. Even so, one is left with quesltions whose answers might be obvious to one working in the field.

The only thing which I wish had been done at this stage is to eliminate (or verify) nuclear reactions: especially LENR

Methinks the path to LENR is though the autocatalyitc reaction involving three hydrogen [or deuterium] atoms. Such may be the heat source in electrolytic and other LENR experiments. The reaction paths for the 'solid fuel' do not go that way as detailes in the above-refrenced paper.

Jones

IOW is the excess heat the result of hydrogen "shrinkage" only ? - and therefore there is zero transmutation, zero gammas and zero ash ?

Study the "Commercializable..." paper. The primary reaction gives H[1/3] which quickly reacts with available hydrogen atoms to give H[1/4]. Once a lot of hydrinos have been produced, lots of further reactions are possible. I don't know to what degree BLP has search for them.

Maybe so, maybe not. There is the distinct possibility that the excess heat is deriving ultimately from the nucleus (weak or strong force) in which case there should be some evidence - transmutation products of gammas.

I suspect, and predict, that they will find beta decay when they take the time to look !

This unexplored territory for which generations of graduate students should be grateful.:-)


Especially since sodium is involved, I am trying to imagine a unique reversible nuclear reaction whereby a virtual or pseudo neutron i.e. an extremely low energy "nearly neutral" particle, made up of highly shrunken hydrogen could "participate" with 23Na and remain largely undetected (since the reaction is hypothesized to be reversible).

23Na is 100% of natural sodium. 24Na is very unstable with a short half-life and is a beta emitter. It also has a nuclear spin of 4. It has a lot in common with 40K. Potassium is also among the best Mills' catalysts and no one knows that 40K could not be solely responsible for that even (wild guess) despite its low enrichment.

ERGO - I will go out on a limb and opine that yes, shrinkage (redundant ground states) are necessary as a precursor - but do not give all (or maybe even most) of the excess heat which is being seen and documented here. I am pretty sure, based on what I have seen in another experiment, that they will eventually observe betas in the range of a 10^5-10^6 eV.

Problem is: Mills may not approve of that, so will they be allowed to report it?

Rowan will not be the only group to study these reactions. As BLP proceeds toward commercial scale, and the process becomes *real*, lots of people will be studying it. I suggest Jones focus on the energy implications rather than nuclear reactions.

Mike Carrell

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