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As the smoke cleared, mix...@bigpond.com <mix...@bigpond.com>
mounted the barricade and roared out:

> >> I think salient question is "What makes people feel frightened and
> >> insecure"?
> >
> >It is indeed a salient question. Nevertheless, I think I would prefer
> >to explore what makes us happy.
...
 
> People are happy when they get what they want, and they want to have their 
> cake
> and eat it too. :)
> 
> Pure socialism epitomizes fairness. Pure capitalism epitomizes freedom.

That's a completely false juxtaposition. 'License' is not Freedom -- even
tho' the capitalists make it their business to see to it that people do
not make the distinction. 

Fact is, socialism is about Fairness AND Freedom -- because for one
thing: being fair is all about being free. Think about it.
To wit:





> What people really want is both fairness and freedom. They need not be
> totally mutually exclusive, but they must be to some extent.

The point has been well-made that true freedom comes with understanding
the real and concrete limits imposed by necessity -- i.e. it is only a
false, ideal image we have of any 'Freedom' that doesn't have much, if
anything, to do with real life. Understanding real limits allows us to
understand just how we are _actually_ free in any meaningful sense.





> IOW we will never be totally happy.

The problem with idealist thinking is that it deals in abstract absolutes
- -- which have not much to do with Reality. People will be as happy as any
animal can be, under communism (never for long, if ever, under capitalism).
And who could want more.
;>


- -- grok.






- -- 
Build the North America-wide General Strike.

TODO el poder a los consejos y las comunas.
TOUT le pouvoir aux conseils et communes.
ALL power to the councils and communes.
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